not sure of persons's name, but an Aboiginal activist just stated (heard) on ABC radio that Aboriginal law should be incorporated into common law.

She also stated that Aboriginals lived harmoniously together prior to Europeans coming.

Good luck to both sides accepting the truth of the past.

Dear Foxy,

Thank you for pointing out that there are plenty of Indigenous records. Yes, indeed - everybody who came to the attention of any authorities had a file - as indeed they should, like all of us, that's simply part of every government's fiduciary duties. Those records would include all documentation relating to the taking of children into care, and returning.

I'm always struck by two facts:

* as far as I can tell, no Indigenous child was ever taken into the largest orphanage in SA, at Goodwood.

* how strange it is that no law firm, such as, say, Maurice Blackburn or Slater and Gordon, has ever, it seems, been approached by any Indigenous person with their file, to prepare a charge of 'stolen children' against some government department. Not one person, let alone thousands 'stolen'.

And s Big Nana says, people have had control over their affairs for nearly fifty years or more now. The problem seems to be that, along with the power that control delivered, went responsibilities, obligations, duties, which most community members were not equipped (or, for family reasons, prepared) to handle.

As well, looking back, I suspect that on many issues, even land rights, complainants didn't really expect any outcomes (since all whites are bastards), and didn't know what to do when they got what they asked for.

As well, in relation to land, there seemed to be an assumption that, if anybody owned land, the government would pay them each year as a sort of reward. After all, pastoralists seemed to get money from somewhere every year and, if anything, they had less responsibilities each year, since they sent a lot of their cattle and sheep away somewhere. So why aren't Blackfellas being paid each year for their land ?

[TBC]

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Foxy,

I recall in one community that we lived at, the DAA offered to buy up the next-door property (4000 acres of cleared land, with about 30 acres of grapes) for the community, contiguous with their own land - that, or six houses. The council set about demolishing six older houses and took the second option.

I was trying to set up a youth club at the time, and we asked for one of the older houses as a club-house. Organised youth was anathema to the council, so they engineered the vandalism of one house, then banned the youth club. Then, of course, demolished that house.

Once bitten, twice shy, Foxy :)

Love,

Joe

I have no inclination to argue with either Big Nana
she goes by what's happening in her own backyard and
doesn't see the bigger picture) and -
or Joe (Loudmouth) same goes for him. He relies
on
what he calls _ "primary sources" except the sources he
refers to are all written (or gotten rid of) by white
protectors) - about anything concerning our
Indigenous people. Been there done that - and no matter
what facts are presented to them both - nothing ever suits their
rigid views. Joe doesn't believe in stolen generations,
or Indigenous people being herded onto missions, et cetera.
He's a big admirer of Keith Windschuttle -a man who made
his career out of promoting and excusing white superiority.

Big Nana - if you were to delve into the histories of
our Indigenous people in this country perhaps, just perhaps
you would get a smattering of why some of the problems
exist today. Right up until relatively recently the
Australian government has sought to create a single
uniform WHITE Australian culture.

This was pursued through assimilation policies which had
devastating effects on Indigenous communities.

I won't write any more - because you don't like long
posts. And I'm getting tired of explaining things to
someone who's not really interested. Talk to Joe -
he'll explain things in a much shorter way - I'm sure.

Take care
Stay safe.

Totally agree Foxy, Big Nana that notion that Aboriginal people are seeking, or should, return to some previous traditional lifestyle is not reality. Its also not true that all of us, including Indigenous people, have this boundless free choice in life to determine our own destiny. Circumstance of ones birth, up bring, that environment of early life, all influences the final outcome of who we are. Sure, some have a rather terrible up bring, yet manager to beat the odds and succeed into adulthood, but they are more the exception than the rule.

"A man was given a dog, everyday the man beat the dog. One day the man lent down to pat the dog, the dog bit the man. A terrible vicious dog it was, the man killed the dog. The man had no choice, it was a terrible vicious dog, the dog had chosen to bite the man."

Addressing Foxy's fairy land points.

Those aboriginal settlements who have kept their land and largely kept their culture at taxpayer's expense are the ones that are the most dysfunctional. The two authors who wrote the "Little Children are Sacred" report, visited 45 aboriginal communities in the Northern Territory. They didn't find child sexual abuse in some of those communities they found it in every single community; 45 out of 45.

These self governing communities who supposedly want white people to leave them alone are usually run by "big men" who have an appalling record of sexual assaults, economic mismanagement, and outright fraud. ATSIC was disbanded because corruption within this self governing body was so bad that the Federal government considered it unreformable. Justice O'Keefe said that the reason so many aboriginal settlements are poverty stricken is because "aboriginal leaders are ripping off their own people."

Corruption on self managed aboriginal communities was so bad that the Howard government, with Federal Labour support, instituted the Intervention" policy which completely by passed the aboriginal leaders and their sticky fingers. This is why the aboriginal leaders are now demanding that there be "Recognition" for aboriginal leadership with themselves keepers of the cash till, because they want to go back to ripping their own people off. And all they had to do to get their fingers back in the till was to couch their grab for power and money in such a way that it sounded like some virtuous aboriginal need for self management.

They played Foxy and her ABC luvvie class like fish because they knew which emotional buttons to push to have the luvvie caste come out virtue signalling and strutting around in the pose of moral sanctity.

"Aboriginal middle class success" looks suspiciously to me to be composed of primarily white people with a small amount of aboriginal DNA obtaining no end of government benefits and preferential treatment in regards to plush and well paying government jobs. Like the "big men in black hats and beards" the present unacceptable situation regarding aboriginal dysfunction suits them just fine.