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Let's burn the whole thing down: death, protest and George Floyd : Comments

By Binoy Kampmark, published 3/6/2020

What is happening across the United States cannot simply be labelled as a looting-leads-to-shooting episode. It ranks as another chapter of enraged despair and untidy opportunism.

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I don't know where you got your statistics Joe, but the following is from the Washington post, & very different. Of course we can't know how accurate these are either.

US police shootings, Washington Post statistics

In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population.

The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18˝ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 5 June 2020 12:57:36 AM
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To Chris Lewis.

Of course their is a difference between race and culture. 'Race" denotes the dividing identifiably different groups of human beings into named categories, while "culture" is the unofficial concepts denoting right or wrong behaviour (which usually become enshrined in law) among the different categories of human beings. Black Americans extol their "black culture" as their own, not the white culture upon which almost all US laws are based.

You seem to think that people can simply discard their former cultural values like they are taking off their coats? This can happen only when people from a particular outsider's culture do this through social pressure to conform to the dominant culture. But where immigration of outside groups is high, birds of a feather will stick together and ghettoise their new society, keeping almost all of their cultural values intact.

This is happening in western societies today, where some imported immigrant communities live almost entirely within the confines of their language and cultural groups. This is not integration, it is creating a nation of tribes, and it is destroying social cohesion, the glue which keeps all communities together.

Therefore, race and culture are linked. The degree to which minorities themselves see their own cultures as being the property of their own race and cultural group could be seen by the hilarious episodes of minorities screaming at white people for so called "cultural appropriation". The charge was, that white people had no right to wear African inspired "corn row" hairdos, paint pictures in "aboriginal" style, or wear traditional Asian type dresses. And this from people wearing western style dresses, wearing western spectacles, and clutching western Iphones.

It also culminated in the famous dummy spit and walkout of ABC Muslim luvvie Yasmin Mageid, from a seminar where a noted female author gave a speech attacking the concept of cultural appropriation. After praising Islam as "the most feminist religion", she left Australia and instead of living in a "feminist" Islamic country, she went to went to live in Britain to culturally appropriate the white freedoms and living standards she usually denounces.
Posted by LEGO, Friday, 5 June 2020 6:04:46 AM
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If western civilisation is so damned horrible, Diver Dan, why is most of the world breaking their necks to come and join us?
Posted by LEGO, Friday, 5 June 2020 7:26:10 AM
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So Lego, what do you propose?

I am interested in how you think a western democracy can overcome the problems you highlight.

I don't think Australia will be stopping immigration any time soon, but I am interested in any constructive idea that would address your concerns.

Maybe we should be doing much more to train our people rather than increasingly rely on foreigners to fill the gap.
Posted by Chris Lewis, Friday, 5 June 2020 8:08:50 AM
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To Chris Lewis.

It is too late now for the populations of the western democracies to do anything about the fall of their own civilisation. The Romans waited until Alaric and his Visigoths suddenly appeared at the gates of Rome before they flashed on how stupid their decadence and their policies of appeasement were, when confronting people who really did want to destroy their civilisation. But at least the Romans were not as stupid as the West, in inviting their enemies to cross their moats, give them public housing, and put them on welfare, while they plotted Rome's downfall.

'Racists" like my good self have been warning the west for forty years that our policies of extreme racial tolerance and non discriminatory immigration was going to destroy our own civilisation. It is only now that the western world is, like the Romans, too late emerging from their own luxury induced torpor, and are realising that their own superior civilisation is in real trouble. We are creating social self suicide through immigration.

What holds every society together is the general agreement among the population as to what constitutes correct behaviour. This is the glue which ensures social cohesion and keeps communities together. But if that social cohesion frays through the importation of multitudes of people from different faiths, cultures, and races, then the inevitable result will be social instability, endemic social problems, calls for separatism based upon race and culture (already happening in Australia), race riots, ghettoes, and eventually, civil war.

Youtube has taken down many video's depicting full on street fighting battles in France (complete with rooftop snipers) between Arabs and the French police, because that sure looked like civil war to me. And now police stations in the USA are being firebombed and cities are burning. The West championed "diversity" as if it were a wonderful concept. We are now relearning the lessons of history from which we should have learned the falsity of that stupid concept
Posted by LEGO, Saturday, 6 June 2020 4:08:36 AM
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Lego and others,

whatever the situation now, you must have ideas about how your concerns can be best addressed.

for example, i dont support such a heavy reliance upon just two nationalities at moment.

I am interested in any ideas.
Posted by Chris Lewis, Sunday, 7 June 2020 10:31:20 AM
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