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Why thinking makes it so: Donald Trump’s Obamagate fixation : Comments

By Binoy Kampmark, published 25/5/2020

Obama had, supposedly, committed 'the biggest political crime in American history, by far', one that made 'Watergate look small-time'.

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That there was corruption within the Obama administration to spy on political rivals and attempt to overturn an election is now fairly clear.

That Obama was aware of at least part of the spying is clear following the revelations about the 5/1/17 White House confab.

Whether there'll ever be sufficient evidence to pin this in whole or part on Obama is doubtful. The Deep State and the mainstream media look after their own and the wagons are already circled. That's not to say that Burr/Durham won't unearth a Liddy type who might be prepared to tell it all rather than suffer a long jail sentence. But such a person would have to ponder whether they'd want to become another Epstein.

Why they went after Flynn still intrigues me. We know he was primed to pull the whole Iran deal apart - perhaps there's still more corruption there to be unwound.

But I'd prefer to await the results of the Burr/Durham investigations. Purportedly there is much more to come from that quarter although, unlike the Mueller 'probe', very little has been leaked.

After all that, its really quite amusing to watch those who fell hook, line and sinker for the Russian election interference story as well as the Trump as Putin's puppet trope and the Burisma rubbish, based, it has to be said, on minimal and, ultimately, zero evidence, suddenly now decide that unless there's a smoking gun there's nothing to see.

Hypocrisy abounds.
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 25 May 2020 4:38:42 PM
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Once the Whitehouse is no longer able to block investigations, withhold evidence or critical witnesses? The truth will out!

And all culpable will need to answer to those who employ them, the American people! Regardless of whether democrat or republican or other!

And will happen quite soon! As the partisans ( real Americans) stand up for their homeland and democratic values worth fighting/sacrificing for!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 25 May 2020 4:49:24 PM
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Despite the TDS it will be interesting to see if Cuomo is ever held accountable for sending so many Covid patients to old people's homes resulting in thousands of death. Yep he believed the 'experts' that their would not be enough beds, masks etc in the hospitals. When Trump delivered with spades with beds, masks etc, he still made the decision and made it against law for nursing homes to reject the infected patients. So we had doctors and nurses with no one to look after while lowly paid health care workers in old people's homes bearing the load. Of course we hear nothing from the truth hating lying liberal media on this. They are still busy wiping their records of lies and deceit pushing then Russian/Ukraine delusion. But then again the democrats are so pro life now at least according to Joe and co.
Posted by runner, Monday, 25 May 2020 5:08:48 PM
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This seems to go against what the pro Obama crowd says !

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Posted by individual, Monday, 25 May 2020 7:00:29 PM
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That that is funny... truly, unlike the communist luvie homage between the "Dustyesky choir" from Mullimbimbie by arts luvies tribute to what they themselves is a tribute to the "Australian Broadcasting Collective".. that will be on at 8pm via "their scary ABC" on Australian story.

Sorry must put some logs on the fire, my poor old senile tarty bones can't cope with the coldest, wettest, snowyist May on records around the world... must be something to do with solar weather, geosphere magna-movements or just mother nature showing its feed up with all this human Carbon Cycle management Hubris stuff. Pleae excuse my typos... its just so cold for my arthritic claws!

Thank you guys... ist nice to know sane people are ou there
Posted by Alison Jane, Monday, 25 May 2020 7:39:25 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

You say; “Given that after 2 years and $ms the FBI could find nothing to demonstrate that Trump had colluded with the Russians to influence the election, the question is how did this farce start, and who was behind it. Giving false and misleading information to the FBI has always been a criminal offense.”

This is the litany of crooks Meuller put behind bars. Hardly nothing to show for it is it.

Michael Cohen 
Trump’s former personal lawyer and fixer pleaded guilty in November 2018 to lying to Congress about a proposed real-estate deal in Moscow. He also pleaded guilty in August 2018 to charges related to making hush money payments to two women who claimed to have had sex with Trump. Cohen was sentenced in December 2018 to three years in prison.
 
Paul Manafort 
Trump’s former campaign chairman was convicted in August of tax and bank charges. He also pleaded guilty in September to conspiracy to commit money laundering, tax fraud and failing to register to represent foreign interests, and to obstruction of justice. Manafort was sentenced to 7.5 years in prison.

Rick Gates 
Gates worked for Manafort before and during the campaign and also headed Trump’s inaugural committee. He pleaded guilty in February 2018 to conspiracy and lying to FBI agents and prosecutors. He cooperated with Mueller and awaits sentencing.

Konstantin Kilimnik 
Kilimnik is an alleged Russian spy who worked with Manafort and Gates in Kiev. He was indicted in June 2018 on charges of conspiracy to obstruct justice.

Cont..
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 25 May 2020 7:50:43 PM
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