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Israel and Palestinians: architects of their own destruction : Comments

By Alon Ben-Meir, published 22/5/2020

As Israel celebrates the 72nd anniversary of its independence, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict continues to simmer as neither side seems to have learned anything from their seven decades-old conflict.

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David F and Yusutsu, the views of either of you are irrelevant.
Those views are unacceptable. That is it no room for compromise.
Either the Jews leave the Middle East or there will be war.
Posted by Bazz, Sunday, 7 June 2020 11:37:52 AM
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Israel's been around for over 70 years and has the most powerful military in the region. I don't think it's going anywhere. There should be pressure to compromise with the Palestinians ; but not such to endanger Israel's existence. There would not be one secular democratic Palestine including Jews ; there would be ethnic cleansing. For those Palestinians who are not of the mindset of Hamas and so on there needs to be recognition and a measure of justice. Land confiscation is just as bad when exercised against the Palestinians. But hatred takes a long time to dilute and overcome. On both sides. The way forward is One State with equal citizenship in every area except the armed forces ; which is an insurance policy if things go wrong.
Posted by Tristan Ewins, Sunday, 7 June 2020 11:43:34 AM
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Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable. (3:85)
Terrorise and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Koran. (8:12)
Do not hope for peace with the infidels - behead them when you catch them. (47:4)

And so on and on.
Ask a moslim does he believe in these verses and he will not deny them.
There is another verse more relevant.
It states that land once occupied by moslems remains Islamic land even
if they are later expelled by the original holders from that land.
It is this verse that authorises their claim to all the land in the
Middle East. You can see this in operation as Turkey is claiming
Cyprus and Islam claims all of Spain, Cicily, Serbia, Bulgaria etc
which is why some of those people are known as "Slavs".

This is real in the eyes of modern day Islamists and Turkey for one is
making moves along that path.
Posted by Bazz, Sunday, 7 June 2020 2:10:20 PM
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Ask a Muslim? Bazz, how many Muslims have you asked? How many Muslims have you been in contact with? Some Muslims have made inflammatory statements, and some have committed inflammatory acts. However, I don't believe they represent all Muslims any more than I believe Hitler represented all Christians.
Posted by david f, Sunday, 7 June 2020 2:20:47 PM
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They have been asked many times David. It always results in a waffling
answer. Oh well that was history, but they will never deny those verses.
I have seen interviews where those matters are raised.
It is blasphemy to deny any part of the Koran.
People have died for that.
Sure while they are a minority those type of verses do not get pushed.
It is real however and does drive the religious cleansing in some parts
of the world today, countries like Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, Nigeria.
Posted by Bazz, Sunday, 7 June 2020 4:31:55 PM
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Dear Bazz,

Verses from the New Testament have been used to justify Jew hatred. Hitler said he was doing the work of the church, and many Christians agreed with him. A lot didn't. In Israel there is a memorial to those who, at the risk of their own lives, saved Jews from the Nazis. There are both Muslims and Christians remembered there. From my reading of history Christians have been more intolerant than members of any other religion. However, I certainly would not condemn all Christians.

However, no other country in the last century has been as murderous to those of another religion as Christian Nazi Germany. At the Evian Conference most Christian countries would not agree to take in refugees from German persecution of the Jews.

https://www.economist.com/erasmus/2017/08/13/ranking-countries-by-their-blasphemy-laws is about ranking countries by their blasphemy laws.

71 countries have laws against blasphemy. Some are Muslim like Pakistan and Egypt. Others are Christian like Italy. Historically the record of Christianity when it comes to persecution is far worse than that of Islam. Islam recognizes people of the book, namely Jews and Christians. There is nothing corresponding in Christianity.
Posted by david f, Sunday, 7 June 2020 5:23:02 PM
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