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Avoiding the trap of sacrificial math : Comments

By Robert Reed, published 9/4/2020

Must we pit the health of the economy against the lives of the many people projected to die if strong measures are not taken against the spread of the coronavirus?

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individual,

If you think it should be my role to come up with a plan to combat the Wuhan pandemic then maybe you could be so stupid enough to give me a brief specifying the outcomes I am required to produce.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Monday, 13 April 2020 10:52:06 AM
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The economy and various industries can restart in covid-19 free and confirmed via testing, bubbles!

And shops etc can be operated from behind positively pressurised cubicle/windows that exclude customers. Who will not be able to handle anything they do not purchase. and passed through in a customer service drawer or some such after the checkout.

Money and change sent in UV radiated clear plastic or polycarb tubes in clear plastic containers? Where masked and gloved clerks will serve? Or an EFTPOS machine on the customer side will suffice?

Turnstiles will oblige impatient customers to social distance and understand crowding the customer immediately ahead does not speed anything up!

Drivers of any public transport, also similarly protected in their cubicle! And regularly wiped down from front to back with sanitising wipes between passengers pickups and drops!

Will need an army of already recovered covid-19 immune workers for the cleaning!

Sorry if you see that as demeaning, when it will be the most important work and contribution and the wages ought to reflect that and the importance of acquired immunity!

Other enterprises, that only need to produce, produce or process or harvest produce, can also operate in tested, covid-19 free bubbles.

Providing that very discipline is maintained and confirmed with regular temperate checks and good hygiene/regular hand sanitising, some of which will include mandatory wearing of disposable face masks to protect others from we/us possibly contagious!

Some of the economy and sporting comps, can return to something near normal as in wartime production with inbuilt mandatory, protective rules and regulations, as above!

Take care and stay safe.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 13 April 2020 11:29:49 AM
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Mr O. right on the money mate and a good observation to compare covid-19 with the 400-year long black plague. Which as you know was transferred to humans from the fleas on rats?

We may never find a vaccine! And will not just need to flatten the curve but squash it flat. And prevent it returning with mandatory quarantining in offshore isolation, that's confirmed with accurate repeat testing.

All conferencing can be done via teleconferencing and education via remote learning becoming the new norm, with rotating immune tutors engaged to help those with special learning needs, adapt! And essential.

Given children, will be just as or more efficient as the plague rats as carriers as will many domestic pets, who will need to be contained most rigorously or permanently isolated in mandatory euthanising pounds.

Let's hope the lessons of history prevail and we do not need to lose two-thirds of the entire population before we act to protect each other! And in so doing, protect ourselves in the best possible way we currently have!

Social rebels could enjoy unlimited unfettered personal freedom on an offshore island far from here?

I believe there is still some inhabitable restorable housing and infrastructure on an abandoned Devil's island?

Or we could supply tents, gardening tools and garden seeds!

A few examples/leaders and the rest would find compliance, as model cooperating citizens, a most desirable pleasure/outcome?

Take care and stay safe.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 13 April 2020 12:10:51 PM
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Hi Alan

Too bad COVID-19 + Australia's flu season (April to October) might render well-intentioned suggestions wrong.

See http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-10/flu-season-with-coronavirus-could-mean-extended-lockdown-covid19/12136870 of April 10, 2020:

"Leading health experts believe the looming flu season means Australia's tough social-distancing laws will not be lifted for several months, despite the NSW Government considering easing of restrictions in May.

On Wednesday, NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian said some restrictions on travel and personal contact would be reassessed every month.

The number of COVID-19 infections has declined, but experts warned lifting the lockdown could spark an influenza outbreak.

Last year in Australia, 812 people died from the flu.

Ian Barr, deputy director of the World Health Organisation's (WHO) Collaborating Centre for Reference and Research on Influenza said an influenza outbreak would further strain hospitals.

[or severe COVID + flu cases could overwhelm Australian hospitals ICU beds capacity].

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 13 April 2020 12:28:02 PM
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If you think it should be my role to come up with a plan to combat the Wuhan pandemic then maybe you could be so stupid enough to give me a brief specifying the outcomes I am required to produce.
Mr Opinion,
No-one's asking you that, what i am suggesting to you is to be more considerate, caring & responsible. That is as much as we can ask of each other. Constant ridicule, constant dismissal of posts, constant criticism & constant opportunism is what you need to refrain from if you're at all inclined to care about others. For that you do not require some worthless BA, just decency & some sense ! Can you please try & exercise that ?
Posted by individual, Monday, 13 April 2020 12:53:41 PM
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Dear Lucifrase;

From your link;

“That is why SBP supports Sweden’s well-considered approach, which is a replica of what we have been long recommending. Sweden isolates its elderly and those with serious pre-conditions. It keeps primary schools open since this virus has virtually no effect on little children, and children are therefore the first to help society acquire herd immunity. Sweden also insists on reasonable social distancing but people are not required to wear masks, which allows the slow and sustained spread of the virus to less vulnerable groups.”

This is the situation yesterday;

“Today, Sweden finds itself in very big trouble. As of April 9, Sweden’s rate per capita of confirmed deaths from coronavirus is higher than the rate of its fellow Scandinavian countries — or the US. Hospitals are overcrowded and staff members are overworked, and the military has begun setting up field hospitals in major cities, including Stockholm. 
The Swedish government is now seeking extraordinary powers to impose further restrictions, as the number of deaths steadily approaches 1000. The move will pave the way for new laws that could lead to nationwide lockdown. Sweden’s social democratic political culture is swinging to the other extreme. The proposed legislation would empower the government to act even without consulting parliament.”
http://indianpunchline.com/flawed-coronavirus-battle-plan-lands-sweden-in-big-trouble-indias-blend-of-risk-aversion-and-practicality-is-the-right-approach
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 13 April 2020 2:03:52 PM
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