Interesting read !

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/23/tech-industry-wealth-futurism-transhumanism-singularity

Dear mhaze,

Of course it should have been horses for courses. These are the comparative figures.

Sweden – 7.8 deaths per 100,000 infected

Netherlands – 13.9 deaths per 100,000 infected

U.K. - 12 deaths per 100,000 infected

The USA has overnight jumped to 5 deaths per 100,000 infected.

So let's make the call, at what level of deaths from Corona virus per 100,000 of overall population is acceptable? At what mark do we consider countries have failed their populations?

You were the one who claimed the US was the most prepared of all the nations yet it now leads the world in deaths from the virus.

Are you still contending Trump has done a great or even a good job? Remember when I said they would be a world leader in infections and I was accused of having Trump derangement syndrome? I knew the man better than the rest of you it seems. The same goes for Boris.

It is pretty plain which state out of NSW (Liberal) and Victoria(Labour) went hard and went early. The differences are stark.
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/ng-interactive/2020/apr/08/coronavirus-cases-australia-numbers-new-stats-graph-map-by-postcode-covid-19-death-toll

Face facts, the global economy is screwed by massive debt! And with some seeing war as the only solution that works for them, namely the rich, powerful and privileged for who human life are just numbers to be spent or vassals to be sacrificed at the altar of (there will be many deaths) personal self-indulgence.

If we are to avoid that outcome, with the value of herded cattle or less and bound for the abator of human conflict, except the safest place in any future conflict will be on the front line! As any enemy will focus on the civilian populations and areas of production and manufacturing/wealth creation!

Alternatively, we could accept the Christian code for living, we are allegedly guided by and embrace inclusive cooperative capitalism and the co-ops they create/empower/prosper. As that occurs? Reinvent our own economy as the strongest and soon to be the largest and most powerful.

Assisted in that outcome by a return to the prewar, gold standard! Tax reform, the genuine article not the Clayton's complexity that masquerades as a fair and equitable tax system! ( 15% FLAT) Plus return to affordable energy! Because every wester style economy is supported by just two pillars, energy and capital!

Energy? MSR thorium and MSR nuclear waste burners! And biogas! cant ever run out of the latter! Or even experience short supply but an eternal, 50%+ surplus! And without ever drilling so much as a single hole in the ground!

Capital? Put co-ops up as our future in every possible aspect/production /manufacturing and the usual economic flow on factors will make every one dollar do the economic work of seven!
Alan B.

Footnote: Global debt is now north of 320 TRILLION and climbing! How many humans should we sacrifice at the altar of mindless soulless, big business, business as usual, to repay that?

Or should we with the business as usual paradigm in play? Socialise the debts and privatise the profits? It worked last time? Or did it?
Alan B.

Dear mhaze,

Perhaps it would be clearer to make this directly deaths due to CoVID19 per million head of population.

Spain - 311

Netherlands - 131

United Kingdom - 104

Sweden – 68

United States - 44

Australia - 2

http://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-million?tab=chart&country=AUS+NLD+ESP+SWE+GBR+USA

Note this changes daily.

What is the acceptable number for Australia? 5? 10? 20? or should we we just happy to stay on par with the US since you think so highly of their response?

Interested to see if you can give us a figure.

SR,

Well again I need to point out that deaths to infections is a useless ratio(at least for the time being) since we don't know how many infections there are. We know how many infections have been found. But that's not the same thing and is heavily dependent on how many tests have been done. Since the US has done way more tests than any other nation, of course they've found more infections.

It means nothing at the moment but will have some meaning after we've been able to get a handle on how many people in the entire population were infected. But I understand that you (mistakenly) think it puts in the US in an unfavourable light and and therefore want to use it, despite its inappropriateness. Same old SR.

"What is the acceptable number for Australia?"
I've already told you there isn't an acceptable number. There will be deaths and we need to limit them within the limits of our capacity. Equally there are no acceptable numbers of road deaths but we can't just bring the road system to a close to overcome those deaths. (Yes I noted that you assiduously avoided that point - as you always avoid things that reveal your cant).

"Remember when I said they would be a world leader in infections and I was accused of having Trump derangement syndrome? "

No, I don't remember that. Show me.
oh and they are only the world leader if you fall for the Chinese lies and the incomplete data from India, Indonesia, Iran. Which of course you do.

Do you realise that you are arguing against yourself? On the one hand you argue that the projected level of deaths in the US is falling because of the success of social distancing and yet you say that Trump's efforts to limit deaths by social distancing is failing.

Double-think lives.