Maybe that explains our politicians and media 'analysts"... they are all Avatars created by Google and Facebook!

Seriously, but why do we all hang on to 'freedom of liberty' issues when the national Id card is proposed?

Lots! And if combined with also remote thermal imaging, can be used as new, space-age unbeatable and completely covert lie detection.

Imagine if all our courtrooms and parliaments were so equipped? Perjury and the usual pork pes would have real consequences even for the most gifted liars.

Can't wait for that day and for the professional liars (e.g. Assange?). to get their just rewards!
Alan B.

Interesting Thought Alan B.

Imagine when each Judge/magistrate had access to an Artificial Intelligence assistant that scanned the facial expressions, temperature, sweat and even "odours" produced by both the defendant and their lawyer.

That would be far better than getting them to swear of the Bible!

Facial recognition: policing our roads, but what else?
That's the Transport Control Grid their building and why they need 5G.
COVID-19 will help the push for a cashless society

Armchair C, Of course the 'mobile phone safety driven initiative' is the tip of the iceberg. Once accepted (which it seems to have been ) this will spread into all aspects of transport... driving on roads, pedestrians, mass transport offences/payment and.... hopefully they pick up on those ultimate pests... the spandex glad thugs who freeload on the public roads and break all the rules!

Having said that, as many of them are inner city public servants who draw up the rules/regulations, I doubt we will ever have FR turned against these elite cyclists.

Facial recognition is NOT being used on the roads for any purpose and most definitely not for mobile phone offences. They photograph the offending vehicle and, just like speeding fines, require the owner to take responsibility or identify the culprit.

FR is enough of a problem without jumping at shadows.

"space-age unbeatable and completely covert lie detection."
It might be possible to make it covert but there's no such thing as unbeatable lie detection. Just another thing Alan has misunderstood from wherever he gets his wacky ideas.

First, the so-called tells for lying aren't even close to being universal. In lie detection the false negatives are enormous and the false positives not much better.
Second, as the great Prof Costanza explained "Its not a lie if you believe it".... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn_PSJsl0LQ

Alison Jane: Imagine, just imagine and imagine juries sequestered in their own purpose-built room and watching it all on live CCTV alongside the covert lie detection results.

Imagine testimony able to be taken via video conferencing with the same technology in operation testing the complete veracity of the evidence as it leaves the mouth of any witness and Lawyers not able to use the usual grandstanding and intimidation to silence witnesses, nor defendants or adversarial complainants!

Or control freak judiciary intent on imposing their personality or control on, for them? Desirable outcomes!? Not for nothing is it writ large that under current circumstances and the effect of the old boy's club, justice would seem? Reserved for those with the deepest pockets!?

And probably underlines the reason why this now dated technology hasn't been rollout across the nation's pivotal points!?

And able to replay any segment to enable a finalised opinion/finding and the carriage of absolute justice. Too many crims/drug lords, pushers, walking our streets and free to re-offend, given our flawed justice system which releases evildoers and incarcerates the innocent/denies justice to victims too often, etc/etc!

One being one too many!

But especially as pertaining to family law custody contests, domestic violence/sexual abuse, and badgered, intimidated witnesses etc/etc!
Cheers, Alan B.

Mhaze: Suggest in future you talk from a little higher up and stick with subject matter you actually know something about!

For your information and edification, new space age lie detection is unbeatable for the following reasons and beyond human control or drug-assisted avoidance.

Firstly CAFR. This technology sees the microsecond giveaway facial expressions beyond human control and too fast for the human eye.

And a deadset giveaway! especially useful as border control and contraband control!

Thermal imagining lights up portions of the brain and seen as thermal imagines even in pitch black conditions also available in night sight technology and in survivor searches after dark. But back to the brain and thermal imaging, portions of the brain light up whenever deception is even considered and completely autonomously regardless of control or suppression control or suppressed giveaways with this or that Drug/thought control!

What makes it unbeatable by even the most accomplished gifted lairs is when these two technologies are used simultaneously in combination!

And given that is so and undisputably so! Frightens the BJ's out of many pollies!? And the likely reason it isn't already universally deployed!?
Alan B.

Alison Jane.

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*...hopefully they pick up on those ultimate pests... the spandex glad thugs who freeload on the public roads and break all the rules! ...*

I assume you refer to push bike riders.

The problem here is ego. Usually it's one car equals one ego. That situation is usually safely under control by the use of road rules, and in some rare moments, courtesy and consideration. ( but not always).

Sadly, with the Lycra set, its generally a team sport. A team sport fixes multiple egos against one challenge, in their case, the motorist.
That is a dangerous situation involving the clashing of egos with the motorist feeling victimised, which he is; aided and abetted by silly unworkable rules designed to safeguard idiots from themselves, for example, the one meter rule.

There was never a time when pushbike riders were safe on the roads. And bunches of egos looking for a fight during peak hour traffic, is bound for a very bad outcomes, and does.
No surprises there!

Dan

Alan B, I would prefer a jury assisted by AI, than one whose minds are twisted by dubious defence lawyers. Also, We all can detect when pollies are lying too us, due to their inherent self belief in the words they spue out of the smiling mouths... and the fact they always seem to be lying! So Ai would have them within milliseconds.

DD, if cycling was a workspace, it would be banned and anyone suggesting it as a new pastime, would be held up for inciting violence! An face ( or arse) recognition camera, could earn State Revenue a fortune, as most cyclists break the road rules every minute they enter our roads. And as they refuse to have numberplate's, road registration fees, licences, mirrors, treaded tires... AND have no third party insurance, FC (or AR) would finally have them pay their way on the roads, just like the rest of us have to do.

Hot of the ABC news online.

"The inquiry gained attention in late 2019 when the Department of Home Affairs suggested a proposed facial recognition tool could be used to verify age for porn viewers."

see https://click.mail-list.abc.net.au/?qs=9781ae99cdfbbdc5e67498e0a8f8560e49baf94d414c29b69b2ba8422fa9e02a41e1dbc7c2dcbd86bc5877eeb9d9baff14160db4c033bccb57f69a0ec61a4ad4

Seems FR is on the move more than we have been told!

will this be used against all citizens, or just selected groups?

Its a Brave New World

Hey Alison Jane,
I'm not keen on cyclists on the road.
Where I used to live they would come past at 5am on a Sunday morning yelling at each other without any concern for any of the people they were disrupting, and that would continue unabated for several hours.
If I had've been a vindictive person I might have laid out a few rows of gang-nails in order to screw up their Sunday morning in the same way they messed with mine every week.
- But fortunately for me, I have ethics and I understand that 2 wrongs don't make a right.

So, I don't care for cyclists on the road, but I will say one thing.
I'm not sure it's fair they don't pay for rego.

I'd assume many of the people riding past were professional business type people, doctors, lawyers etc.
These are the people that want to take part in the Tour de France and practice on our roads for it.
I'm fairly sure most of these people actually do have cars and do pay rego, and obviously that can't drive their car on the road when they're riding their bikes.

Maybe there should be some road use fee for cyclists, but that just gives them more of a free pass to ride around screaming on Sunday mornings.

Hey Alan B.
Assange's crime was telling the truth.

The problem I find with new technology is that the way it's rolled out is with a 'sell' attitude to the potential benefits.
But what they don't advertise is how all this technology is also going to be used against us and make us completely enslaved.

Useful idiots will say hey that's a great idea think of the benefits;
- The thing they don't realise is they were never rolled out for these implied benefits in the first place, that's just how they got you to go along with it.

All data will go to a fusion centre, where they will collate data from different areas.
Banking history and spending habits and wealth and investments,
Phone and email history, who you talk to, private information regarding your business activities,
Transport where you go, where you work, who you see,
Social Media - who you associate with and your social beliefs

Every single person on the planet profiled and monitored in real time by AI.

I have lived in one of those areas for 20 years now, and these arrogant egos in spandex are getting worse. We shan't get them of the roads (as many are public servants) so lets manage and constrain them. Licences, tests, rego checks, rego, insurance, licence plates, mirrors and FINES.

If FR (or AR) helps, then bring it on! It might not improve their road behaviour, but it will hurt their pockets, make them behave and take the smug grins of their faces

Assange a truth-teller!? Like you mean about his sexual exploits in Sweden and the real reason he self-exiled in an Ecuadorian Embassy?

Or the fact he is not a credentialled investigative Journalist with official qualifications, just a bail jumping criminal computer hacker with absolutely no respect for the property or privacy rights of others?

Did what he did from purely profit and ego-driven reasons, not any semblance of ethics as some seek to claim?

I'll give him credit for those Iraq war crimes exposure, but that's where his alleged, ethical truth-telling starts and ends.

He claims his other exposures of allied operatives have had no proven negative consequences for lack of evidence that it has? But is completely silent on the lack of any verifiable evidence to the contrary! Because, there simply isn't any, nor verification of the opposite!

We just don't know either way! And who is going to tell us? Those who are/were the enemy and the current source of alleged information?

Hell is going to freeze over before I'll believe Assange, except were his evidence on all the above matters to be tested via the descried, unbeatable, space-age, lie detection technology! And here we have a creature whose ego is so inflated? He likely believes he could beat it!?

Oh for that day and the completed impartial and validated release of that documentary! I've got several hats that'd be on the menu!

But neither (shovelling it by the shipload) Assange or any( mudslinging blame-shifting) pork pie telling pollie is going to volunteer for that!? Given it would expose a web of lies?

And highly dysfunctional narcissistic egoists, whose hugely inflated egos are a danger to shipping!? And the economic/emotional well being of the nation!
Alan B.

Facial recognition is good enough to eyeball your retinas and close up. so there is a bio that is yours and yours alone and able to be crossed referenced via tour laptop or phone camera?

So those spandex thugs who know no road law or require even a basic licence to be on commuter laden roads, nor registration that would at least allow the authorities, who to fine take demerit points off of, will still be found out and or have their highway privileges revoked?

For mine, cyclists are road rage terrorists on both footpaths and highways and should be forced to ride single file only and in the designated bike-only lanes or bikeways! The latter being preferable, given the menace to registered road users doing the regular commute or business travel!

Finally, what say u about skateboarders out on sloping roads, all but flying downhill and only able to swerve to avoid collisions? And a menace all round and to all other road users!

Who'd be the driver if a kid on a runaway skateboard was splattered all over their bodywork? Or worse, condemned to a life as a living vegetable the rest of their days, in an institution?
Alan B.

Alan B

"Suggest in future you talk from a little higher up and stick with subject matter you actually know something about!

For your information and edification, new space age lie detection is unbeatable for the following reasons and beyond human control or drug-assisted avoidance."

As usual Alan you make these outlandish claims without ever bothering to offer supporting data. Just stuff you've read somewhere, probably misunderstood or fallen for partisan propaganda.

In a recent paper from The Academy for Scientific Investigative Training, it was found that polygraph is accurate 95% of the time IF the person hasn't been taught how to bet the polygraph. Remember how Christine Blasey Ford (Kavanaugh's accuser) had been trained by an FBI friend to beat the polygraph?

The same paper found that other techniques were little better than around 50% accurate. A long long way from unbeatable.

The thing is that all these stratagems assume that everyone is emotionally the same and wired the same. And it just ain't so.
There are cultural issues and physiological issues and emotional issues and muscle ticks and myriad other reasons why a machine cannot see into the heart and soul of a subject.

I have always spoken negatively about bike riders.
Forget any emotional reasons, such as I just don't like posers, and especially those who get their way at the expense of everyone else.
I have said previously, even though I don't condone their existence, but they are of no useful purpose to mankind in any way.
If they must exist, I have suggested they use the back streets, where the speeds are more within their range, and the traffic is negligible.
But NO, the spoilt and petulant little turds, are not going to take a good suggestion that will minimize their risk of injury or death because they just won't be told.
Well, I have offered my ideas again and again, to no avail.
SO then I will now accept they are just stupid, sick, petulant children, and so I say, let's go for them.
Yes knock them over, let them taste the real results of their arrogance.
I don't know about you, but I can't measure a metre on the left of my car whilst driving it from the right seat.
So I dare some stupid cop and prosecutor to make a case to find me guilty of anything.
We need a few deaths for the idiots to realise they stuffed up and like all these pathetic minorities, pushed it too far.

On the subject of bicycles paying for anything, I disagree.
The taxes and costs we have to endure are based on vehicles with engines.
The formula for the amount we pay for vehicle registration, even though it is WAY over the top and fits well into the definition of gouging, is based on power and weight of the vehicle in question.
The basis of this formula is supposed to be to cover the costs of road maintenance and related infrastructure.
YEAH RIGHT!
We all know that's a well worn lie, but anyway, obviously there is NO justification charging cyclists ANYTHING!
If they would just do as I say, and use cycle paths, or back roads, we would have no problems.
As far as I am concerned they would be out of sight, out of mind and out of danger.
But, as it stands if they were to be hit with some kind of registration fees, I would rather just call it an on-going, pre-paid fine, just for insisting on being absolute pains in the arse!

ALtrav.. Violence NO!, but hit it were it hurts them with taxes, fees, fines and stringent prosecution (and persecution!) for breaches of the law, that they flaunt every day to the year with total immunity. Give the police incentives to catch them, just as they have been given to keep state revenue up on car owners!

If car owners drove around in race suits, helmets in vehicles with no mirrors and slick tyres, the police would come down on them with every regulation in the law.

They claim to be adults, then treat them so and tax them out of existence, or at least onto all those expensive unused bike lanes on our motorway corridors!

It costs about $1000 per year before you even travel a km on the roads just for owning a car. Why do we allow middle aged spandex-clad (mainly men) cause such a nuisance and inefficiency on roads that are unsuitable, unsafe and they don't contribute to.

ps, maybe we could instigate a "trophy" sticker for car/truck owners. You get a door sticker to mount on your car door for every dash cam photo of a cyclist you could have hit, (but swerved to avoid) .. say a "cycle silhouette on a red splat"! That way we could demonstrate to the world how dangerous their stupid pastime really is on modern roads.

See "Not the Nine O'clock News" sketch from the 1980's with Rowan Atkinson et al.

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjb8b7XzI7oAhUzzjgGHefOAMsQ3ywwAHoECBAQBA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dw9lmCpIzhFo&usg=AOvVaw1xdlPyTuM1vDePo5krLcQg

Alison, could not agree more.
The problem begins, and is kept in motion by those who have "connections" to pollies.
WE just came back from the docs, and we find them regularly on one of our main arteries, along the coast.
As we live on the coast it is a fact of life to come across these posers ALL the time, day or night.
Being a well funded shire, we have a cycle/walk way right next to the road, but NO, they're not going to be told where to ride.
So Alison, that's why I say they have been given a big and biased concession.
They have responded with arrogance and petulance, so as far as I am concerned we have facilitated them well beyond their just dues.
So then they do not deserve any more consideration and care.
They have made their beds and it's only a matter of time before the hospital will prepare that same bed for them.
As for the sticker; I would like to see one with a guns sight cross hairs over a drawing of a cyclist with a red line across it, indicating that every sticker is a cyclist that you have run over.

Hmmmm… cyclists need to be put back in their place... namely, luddites who need to realize the world of roads and transport is not a playground for their spandex fetish.

If the want to use roads, make them pay and comply with road rules... other wise fine the hell out of them!