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As the fires rage, we glimpse the evolving abnormal : Comments

By Lyn Bender, published 11/2/2020

This has been the summer when we have been forced to see what we have collectively sought to avoid.

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I would just like to say most of what she has said is nonsense and wrong. Her solutions are so preposterous they will never be called on. It is of no consequence as life will go on.
I only say this so people like Lynn know there are people who hold completely opposite views. Her latte sipping mates in the inner city all agree with her so she thinks there is a consensus.
I live in the Latrobe Valley and the air around the brown coal plants is cleaner than her inner city air.
Hey Lynn we should start by banning all YOUR air travel and cutting all heating and cooling to schools who are worried about global warming, climate change, climate emergency, what is it called this week?
Posted by JBowyer, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 8:42:27 AM
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The most important immediate step would be to legislate that every person has one, and one only, naturally conceived child.
If not done the homo sapiens population will continue to grow and grow and grow and grow until we eventually eat ourselves out of house and home.
Posted by ateday, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 8:43:57 AM
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Ateday, see your Mum and ask her to get some information on the Chinese "One child" policy. She may be able to explain it to you because I will not even try to.
Posted by JBowyer, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 8:51:45 AM
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JB, not only you can`t think you can`t read either it seems.
Posted by ateday, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 9:11:54 AM
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Dear oh dear. Lyn is a pyschologist. Basing most of her gw assertions on lies and hysteria I would hate to see the advice she gives for mental health. Her fear mongering and assertions among the young and gullible would certainly help more people seeking help.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 9:27:53 AM
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All this hysteria about bushfires yet every year half the Kimberley burns down and has been doing so as long as living memory can remember and beyond.Somehow this never makes headlines, no one ever talks about climate change causing the fires and no one talks about the fires contributing to air pollution.
Some of the fires have natural causes but many occur because aboriginal people are total firebugs and love nothing more than setting a match to dry undergrowth. These fires get out of hand and can burn for days or weeks, only rating a mention when they occur near a town.
I’m not sure why indigenous people would be traumatised by the death of animals by fire, after all, the reason they light fires was to make animals more accessible to kill and eat. Fire was always a hunting tool. Nor did they have the ability to control fires if conditions changed, they didn’t have the equipment or water to fight fires.
I will take notice of alarmists when they start reducing their personal dependence on electricity and thus reduce the power requirements. And that includes restricting the size of their families
Posted by Big Nana, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 9:33:27 AM
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Lyn Bender,

We have not "collectively sought to avoid" the catastrophic heat waves and consequential bushfires of 2019/20.

There are a lot of AGW/CC denialists in the world and none of them have lifted a finger to arrest the greenhouse effect from heating the planet by helping to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

The denialists refuse to admit the truth of any concept or proposition that is supported by the majority of scientific or historical evidence that the burning of fossil fuels is the source of today's global warming, which in turn is the cause of today's climate change.

They are motivated by greed and self-interest and void of any humanity. I say: "Throw them in the scum bucket!"
Posted by Mr Opinion, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 9:35:16 AM
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Half of all Australians? Don't think so! Seen and felt globally? Felt how?

"Our insane stance on coal has made us the climate change laggard of the 'developed world'". Totally wrong. A lie. We punch well above our weight, and most of the problem - if it is a problem - comes not from the developed world, but China and India. And what on earth is "devastation and massacre of the original inhabitant" "now recurring"?

Three pages of garbage. This woman is either off her rocker, or this rubbish is part of the "first novel" she is working on.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 9:54:26 AM
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Ateday, it is you who cannot read and your writing is not much chop either.
Posted by JBowyer, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 10:12:47 AM
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JBowyer,

People who live in stone houses shouldn't throw stones. Or have you forgot?
Posted by Mr Opinion, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 10:14:49 AM
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Big Nana,
Isn't it infuriatingly frustrating to perpetually have to deal with people who are infested with indoctrination undergrowth in their minds ?
If only we could perform a back-burn on them !
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 11:14:51 AM
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Tis a brave woman to post an article on OLO

populated by rightwing, News Limited true believen, babboons

of the male gender.

Who drink gasoline http://youtu.be/WmnUayaQyBk
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 11:15:40 AM
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Lynne, you are a psychologist.Psychology is not a science and doesn't do science very well at all.
You have some emotional baggage from your family battles with the CSG industry. As a result, you do not come to the AGW/CC bush fire situation with a clear and unbiased mind.
Quoting from an Australia Institute "study" published in the Guardian is not a good place to start.
I could also find a cohort of 1000 people and come up with 100% effected by the bush fires. I could also come up with a similar sized cohort and 100% "that's life, we get on with it".
A look at a map of Australia will show you that whilst widespread, only a small part of Australia was directly impacted by the bushfires. But the television news video was dramatic and looked totally devastating. The closest the majority of Australians came to the bushfires was the television news and colourful sunsets.
Your hatred of fossil fuels is not based on objective science and abandoning it would see you never going home to the western Darling Downs in a comfortable and convenient manner. Get out of Melbourne and find that there is a real world outside that city.
Posted by Jay Cee Ess, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 12:09:48 PM
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Dear Big Nana,

You really don't know what you are talking about sometimes. Indigenous burning practices are being taken up by the CFA and councils here in Victoria. Two of the chiefs of local brigades have gone north to do training and I have spoken to both of them about their experiences. They were very impressed and have already trialed the methods against normal practices. They definitely see a role for employing the techniques they have learned and are keen to work further with indigenous practitioners of landscape burning. The managers of a local reserve are looking to hand control of a portion of it to local indigenous members to use for training of more of their people in these practices.

A trial near me involved a proscribed burn on one half of a section of council land and an indigenous burn on the other and the same day and looking at the differences. The indigenous burn was far cooler and the damage to standing trees almost nonexistent. It did take longer and with more man power on the day but the CFA had to return to the standard burn again to deal with embers from the hotter burn.

This type of management is not the whole answer but it will most certainly be part of the way we deal with the fire threat down here in Victoria in the future. As Victorians we live in one of the most fireprone areas in the world and really the last thing we need is to be told by a bunch of pontificating northerners that we are 'alarmists' or that we are being 'hysterical'.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 12:26:11 PM
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The author seems not to understand that Australia can do nothing to make a meaningful reduction in global atmospheric CO2 levels and absolutely nothing that will reduce the climate's impact and influence on bushfires. Accordingly, her recommended actions are completely inappropriate and wasteful.
Conversely, if Australia is to make a difference globally in the actions we take after the fires, it should be in the area of R&D and commercialisation of the new technologies that the world, especially developing nations, desperately need if we are to become a global, low-carbon economy, because at present suitable technologies to solve the world's problems simply do not exist.
Posted by Bernie Masters, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 12:28:40 PM
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Good to see Big Nana bringing out the truth of aboriginal burning, which had nothing to do with anything but food. No relationship to preventative burning. Of no use whatever in dealing with bushfires. Of no use to anyone or anything, these days. Aboriginal culture is of interest as part of the continent's history, but totally irrelevant to modern day Australia.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 12:36:08 PM
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ttbn. Best if you read Bill Gammage's book The Biggest Estate on Earth as he can totally refute everything you believe or understand about Aboriginal fire.
Posted by Bernie Masters, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 12:59:21 PM
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Big Nana,
I keep beating the same drum as you, but the aboriginal lobby seems to be obsessed with the notion that their use of fire was about looking after the land. It was all about looking after themselves Keep plugging away, sooner later some more people will listen.
David
Posted by VK3AUU, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 2:29:00 PM
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Burning was used to catch food & fight enemies !
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 2:38:25 PM
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I would like the people who keep rabbiting on about solar and wind, to sit down and do some sums on an ongoing basis, what is involved in using this technology. Current estimates are that solar panels will need to be replaced in about 25 years, wind turbine probably somewhat less. Combined with that there is also a need to build storage capacity at least twice the generating capacity of the so called renewables.

Wouldn't it be better to let the Queenslanders have a couple of coal fired power stations while the rest of the country build 20 or so modern nuclear stations.

David
Posted by VK3AUU, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 2:41:31 PM
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Yes. Solar panels don't last for ever, nor do windmills. Coal, on the other hand, has something like 300 years guaranteed.

Speaking of coal, how about the hypocritical ranting against the government proposal to put money into a clean coal power plant? It's OK to use taxpayers' money for unreliable renewables, but not for proven, reliable coal, which is going gangbusters in China and India where all of our once cheaply powered industry has gone.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 3:36:04 PM
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'Wouldn't it be better to let the Queenslanders have a couple of coal fired power stations while the rest of the country build 20 or so modern nuclear stations.'

defintely.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 3:45:30 PM
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runner,

Where's the money coming from for all of these power stations?
Posted by Mr Opinion, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 3:48:14 PM
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Same place where all the renewables comes from ultimately. The people who use the electricity.

David
Posted by VK3AUU, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 3:57:06 PM
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This is divisive BS writ large! The colonial invasion? What you think those emaciated walking corpses that clanked ashore, their leg irons clanking around their ankles were invaders or here by choice!?

Or when the potato famine hit Ireland those left as indentured servants ( slaves) for the term of the indenture (20 years) had a choice, wanted to self-exile in a strange and hostile stone age land where their very survival depended on how well they could shoot and hunt.

Remember those were very different times and every country on earth has had alleged invasions time and time again. And no different here!

The Irish were by and large transported political prisoners and displaced exiles from their own homeland and the Scots subject to the highland clearances almost the same and others guilty of stealing a few crusts to survive.

That was a very different world and many of us came later or were already here and can't be called by any stretch of the imagination, invaders.

Remember that this land was settled in waves of invasion long before the first whitefella stepped ashore. My white ancestor came with the second fleet and was a transported slave who escaped and lived with the natives for some years where he took a (first of the first) partner and produced several pickaninnies

. I'm really really tired of all this invasion BS. I wasn't even born yet and even to this day have little say in anything.

I count my blessings and our Anzac heroes for the fact we did not become a colony of Imperial Japan and when the Author would really have something to bitch and moan about as some sort of professional victim!?

So you really want reconciliation and recognition? LOL
TBC. Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 11 February 2020 5:07:25 PM
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I refuse to go on a guilt trip at the behest of a black armband, divisive activist.

Who has most assuredly and shamefully used the tragedy of those horrendous bush fire to score some very nasty and divis political points!

And sets up the truth and reconciliation referendum very nicely? You think!?

I' personally have had an absolute bellyful of this devise Author and her control-freak activism?

There are things we need to do and refighting the colonial wars is not one of them. There'ss so much BS in this space and so much vested interest in this or that maniacal outcome?

I feel I'm just wasting my time casting pearls before swine?

Read my earlier comments on nuclear power (all of them)and all the economic upsides we as a united and sharing nation could have if we just didn't have the naysays and shite stirrers seeking their own tiny tiny personal agendas
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 11 February 2020 5:19:48 PM
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Where's the money coming from for all of these power stations?

From the people it should come from, those who use it !
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 6:25:25 PM
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Individual. At least we agree about that.
David
Posted by VK3AUU, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 9:45:09 PM
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VK3AUU and individual,

How about the Commonwealth awards a build and operate contract to a Chinese state-owned construction company for the new power stations.

The contractor is paid for the construction by the Commonwealth using Australian taxpayers' money.

The contractor operates the power plants for the economic life of the plants, collecting all the money from its customers for itself.

All of the contractor's profits over its period of ownership are channeled to the Chinese Communist Party who use it to build up its military forces for an invasion of Australia.

How does that sound? A win-win situation for all?
Posted by Mr Opinion, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 7:03:06 AM
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Come on Mr O, you can't have it both ways.

You keep telling us the Chinese have already bough the place & now own it & us. Why the hell would they want to invade, & perhaps damage, their own property?
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 11:29:46 AM
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Hasbeen,

Why wouldn't they?
Posted by Mr Opinion, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 12:11:01 PM
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Dear AlanB,

How on earth have you managed to get your knickers in a knot over a couple of small mentions of an indigenous perspective in a 4 page article?

Obviously it has hit a sore spot. Reactions like yours are normally driven by unresolved feelings of guilt.

So let's tease this out. Your denial about whether the taking of this land was an invasion is at complete odds with the facts. Regiment after regiment was stationed in this country and wars were fought with the local inhabitants.

To make some irrelevant point that many of those who came were prisoners and thus claim justification is just silly. The French and Spanish also transported prisoners to their colonies.

The penal colony of Cayenne , commonly known as Devil's Island, was a French penal colony that operated in the 19th and 20th century in the Salvation's Islands of French Guiana. Opened in 1852, the Devil's Island system received convicts from the Prison of St-Laurent-du-Maroni. All had been deported from all parts of the Second French Empire, and was infamous for its harsh treatment of detainees, with a death rate of 75% at their worst, until it was closed down in 1953. Devil's Island was notorious for being used for the internal exile of French political prisoners, with the most famous being Captain Alfred Dreyfus.
Wikipedia

The difference is that both the Spanish and the French eventually handed back the lands they had colonised. The British tended to stay and even when a version of independence had been achieved the resultant parliaments were almost exclusively white anglo-saxon in make up.

You don't get to feel pride in the achievements of our soldiers at Galipolli without acknowledging the horror we imposed on this land's original inhabitants.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 12:24:52 PM
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