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Trump's and Netanyahu's folly : Comments

By Alon Ben-Meir, published 7/2/2020

Thus, controlling the Palestinians' lives and their territory became synonymous with Israel's national security.

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Two peas in a pod no doubt.
The leaders of the two worst terrorist states in the world.
Posted by ateday, Friday, 7 February 2020 7:51:59 AM
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The constant criticism and nagging by insignificant pissants with nothing better to do must surely encourage real leaders like Trump and Netanyahu to keep doing what they do.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 7 February 2020 9:07:30 AM
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There are two situations which arise from dealings between Israel and the US:
One is, we will never know the whole truth, and the other is, if we believe an account as being truthful, we will still never really know!

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Friday, 7 February 2020 9:12:16 AM
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Dan: Yes mate and putting it mildly!
Cheers, Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 7 February 2020 10:24:35 AM
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Until you realise that the US funds terrorists to promote Israels religious based foreign policy, then you'll all remain clueless.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/as-houthis-close-in-on-al-qaeda-in-yemen-coalition-airstrikes-target-its-leaders/264639/
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 7 February 2020 11:32:25 AM
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AC,

Good to hear from the anti-Semites in the bleachers.

Now back to the real world....

This peace plan is about the long game. As such, it's very different to all other attempts to resolve the situation. And, since all previous ideas have been utter failures, doing something different seems to make sense.

I don't think anyone expected the Palestinians to just role over and accept the deal. After all, as it is truly said, the Palestinians never miss a chance to miss a chance. Besides, since the deal seeks to raise up the economic status of all Palestinians, it was always going to be rejected by their leadership who are only interested in policies that improve their personal power and wealth.

The plan is about building an anti-Iran coalition between the various Arabic sunni states and Israel. By offering a plan to peace, the Sunni states, most of whom have welcomed the plan, can deal with Israel with the cover that they are working on behalf of the Palestinians.

Such a coalition gives the US the cover to withdraw even more from a region that holds little interest to them any longer. It was truly said that the US no longer needs to keep the Straits of Hormuz open, they just need the power to close it at will.

A successful coalition, combined with continued strangulation of the Iranian economy, will squeeze the Palestinian life-lines. At some point, even their totalitarian leadership won't be able to keep the lid on that and peace will be sought, based around the 'Deal of the Century'.

Its a long-shot and will require that the US stay on coarse, but since nothing else has or is likely to work, it deserves a try.
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 7 February 2020 12:28:37 PM
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A very sad day for Israel!

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Dear Critic,

«the US funds terrorists to promote Israels religious based foreign policy»

What makes you think that Israel's foreign policy has anything to do with religion?

Is it because its cynical leaders quote the bible, selectively of course?

Firstly, the old testament was heavily tampered with, converting it from a religious book into a national document that aggrandises David's and Solomon's cruel dynasty.

Secondly, Israel is currently controlled by "Jews" who only believe in one book of the bible - the book of Joshua, where the conquering of the land of Israel is described. The previous 5 books provide a long list of commandments, dos and donts which ought to govern the life of a Jew and then states: "If you follow my commandments, then I will give you the land [of Israel], but if you fail to follow them then I will take it away from you", which is just what happened when the Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks and Romans took over and exiled the Jews.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 7 February 2020 12:28:41 PM
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Birds of a feather. Netanyahu is in caretaker mode and cannot create or ratify policy and is facing possible conviction for alleged crimes and or fraud? It'sshowtime again folks and policy made on the run. One day when neither of these gentlemen are in office, the truth will finally out as it always does, always has.

Moreover, both these gentlemen have a date with destiny they cannot avoid. Suggest you take butchers at Alan Goulding's Facebook page and a shared video there recounting the witness of a man clinically dead for 11 hours.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 8 February 2020 11:19:52 AM
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Alan B, why do I need to look at your Facebook page?
Posted by Galen, Saturday, 8 February 2020 11:45:54 PM
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Galen: I didn't ask you to look at Alan B's Facebook page. But rather to look at Alan Goulding's Facebook page. And at a shared video.

Why? To understand as I do as a returning eyewitness, that there is a life beyond this one and where we are held o account for those things we did in this life. Good, bad or ugly.

And supported by numerous accounts of similar out of body experiences.

Other videos are related to MSR thorium nuclear power and why we need to embrace it for economic reasons alone!

Also, there is a nice video of an 80 something Inkerbert Humplilldink (I hope I've spelt the name right) singing a romantic song, which I thought was pretty dam good for a bloke of that vintage. Enjoy.

Incidentally, agree with most of your earlier informed comment on topic.
Have a nice day and cheers.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Sunday, 9 February 2020 10:08:06 AM
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Nothing brings out the haters more than the one they hate being so successful. Ha Ha!
Posted by runner, Sunday, 9 February 2020 7:03:32 PM
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Runner, you are a dickhe@d.

Alan, you are one and the same AKA Rhrosty in a previous life!
Posted by Galen, Monday, 10 February 2020 12:00:32 AM
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Hey Yuyutsu,
"What makes you think that Israel's foreign policy has anything to do with religion?"

I've seen footage of Netanyahu meeting with the Rebbe who asks Bibi why Moshiach isn't here yet and I know about the Greater Israel project.
I know how Netanyahu started the war on terror at the 1979 Jerusalem conference, long before it officially started.
- Which probably became the Bethlehem Doctrine.
I know about Israels foreign policy objectives under the Yinon Plan.

What makes you ask these questions when you used to support and practice Judaism?
And that you know damn well that aims of the Jewish religion and Messianic age mean to have Jews rule over all nations?
Why even ask?

And please don't be offended by my harsh response, because offense is not intended.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 13 February 2020 12:01:13 AM
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"Good to hear from the anti-Semites in the bleachers."

I don't care if you call me anti-semitic.
It's not going to stop me expressing my opinion.

I'll say it again 'Until you realise that the US funds terrorists to promote Israels religious based foreign policy, then you'll all remain clueless.'

NATO Allies Hold Emergency UNSC Meeting to Save al-Qaeda in Idlib
http://www.syrianews.cc/nato-allies-hold-emergency-unsc-meeting-to-save-al-qaeda-in-idlib/

Vanessa Beeley Interview - Turkey & US Openly Protect Extremists In Idlib As Lies Begin To Crumble
http://youtu.be/NnjT_moN2TA
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 13 February 2020 12:23:36 AM
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And don't for 1 second think I've forgotten the Russian Kalibr Missle attacks on the Aleppo command centre in 2016 which killed 30 - 50 Mossad and Western Intelligence officers who were directing the war effort in Syria, and don't think for 1 second I've forgotten the false flag chemical attacks on innocent women and kids.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-coalition-intelligence-operations-room-inside-syria-destroyed-by-russian-missile-attack-thirty-israeli-american-british-turkish-saudi-qatari-intelligence-officials-killed-report/5547099

http://www.globalresearch.ca/more-evidence-opcw-doctored-douma-syria-documents/5697876

The US and Israel are the terrorists.
These are the facts, not whatever sweet nothings the Pro-Jewish Pro-war corporate media whispers in your ears.

You're all playing the part of useful idiots.
- And doing a good job I might add -
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 13 February 2020 12:39:38 AM
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Dear Critic,

I am in pain seeing the exploitation of religion in Israel and by Netanyahu in particular, who is anything but religious.
The concept of a Jewish Messiah (or Moshiach) is of a secular/national nature, not religious. It is so painful to see how much crap passes for "religion" these days by the undiscerning public and how religion itself is denigrated as a result.

A true "Messiah", or saviour, would come not to conquer other nations, but to deliver the pious, annihilate the miscreants and to reestablish morality and the true principles of religion.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 13 February 2020 8:10:43 AM
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Hey Yuyutsu,

I'm no expert, but I'm fairly sure it's religious beliefs to them.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1121893/jewish/Who-Is-Moshiach-the-Jewish-Messiah.htm

Who Is Moshiach (the Jewish Messiah)?

The Messianic Redemption will be ushered in by a person, a human leader, a descendant of Kings David and Solomon, who will reinstate the Davidic royal dynasty. According to tradition, Moshiach will be wiser than Solomon, and a prophet around the level of Moses.

Ever since the destruction of the Holy Temple, in every generation there is an individual, a scion of the House of David, who has the potential to be the Moshiach. If at any moment the Jews are worthy of redemption, this person would be directed from Above to assume the role of the redeemer.

In every generation there is a scion of the House of David who has the potential to be the MoshiachDuring the Messianic Era, the Moshiach will serve a dual role. He will be a monarch, ruling over all of humanity with kindness and justice, and upholding the law of the Torah—613 commandments for the Jews, and seven for the non-Jews. He will also be the ultimate teacher, the conduit for the deepest and most profound dimensions of the Torah which will then be revealed by G-d.

You have at least some history with Judaism, though I think you have different beliefs now.

What exactly should a non-Jew think about these plans?

Should I not be opposed to this as much as I oppose being imposed upon by Islam or any other religion?

The right to freedom of religion also includes a right to freedom from religion.
Do I or do I not have the right to choose for myself?
- And why would I support religions whose beliefs lead them to believe they have the right and obligation to impose their views and ways on everyone else?
Why would I support any of that crap?
Why wouldn't I oppose it?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 15 February 2020 9:37:27 PM
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Dear Critic,

This legend of the Jewish Messiah is, as you say, crap.

However, it is not religious crap - it is nationalistic crap.
Nationalism is crap, religion is never crap.

It is a common practice for nationalistic movements to invent false stories about the role of their people, "explaining" for example why Tibet was presumably always part of China. The unique feature of Jewish nationalism, is that it managed to disguise such fake stories as "religious". Moreover, it even managed to trick Christians into believing this to be the case.

What you do about it is up to you, but whatever you do, please do not fall into this trap of believing this legend to be religious - it is a nationalistic aspiration.

While nationalism imposes itself on others, religion does not and cannot do so. To the extent that organisations impose themselves, their views and their ways on others, such organisations are not truly religious even if they consider themselves as such.

You definitely have the right to follow any existing religion, make your own religion, or abstain from following any definitive religious path. Bear in mind, however, regarding "freedom from religion", that while you have every right to deny or disbelieve in God and otherwise to abstain from any ordained practice, from a metaphysical point of view nobody, human or otherwise, can escape religion altogether.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Saturday, 15 February 2020 10:46:41 PM
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Hey Yuyutsu,

Many thanks for your thoughts and opinion.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 17 February 2020 5:22:20 PM
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