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‘Environmentalism’ versus environmental management : Comments

By Pedro Toranzo, published 27/9/2019

As activists, environmentalists rarely offered solutions. Rather, they promoted paralysing and non-democratic concepts.

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While I agree with your separation of environmentalism (political cult) from environmental management (the governmental bureaucracy and consultancy business). neither improve the environment much. Environmental management is big business now and supported by increasing government regulation (often written by environmental activists who can't work as consultants working behind closed doors of the bureaucracy). I am an environmental SCIENTIST who went through university using scholarships and part-time jobs in the late 1970s and was surrounded by environmentalist who wanted to talk, protest, change the world ( by force in some cases), but still had mummy and daddy to pay for their hippie Citroen 2cvs. They now have kids who are climate change cultists. Those who couldn't cope with the science became environmental management geeks. Now they think risk management, audits performance assessments will safe the planet... they will not. these consulting products are mere 'tick box' exercise, that cost a fortune, constrain innovation and make loads of money for consulting firms who feed off the government "teat".
Posted by Alison Jane, Friday, 27 September 2019 8:55:40 AM
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Yea verily yea Sir and well said. There's nothing too wrong with visiting dream o "green" castles in the clouds, but plenty when the visitors take up permanent residence!

And can only escape their self-confinement by shining a powerful beam of light at the ground then sliding down it hoping none of the other "inmates" turns the dam thing off when they're only halfway down!

All deserved levity aside, one wonders how many of these brainwashed devotees we need to ensure the predicted extinction events become our reality due to their extremely persistent recalcitrant obtuse asinine ecofascism!

If we want to decarb the global economy we need a carbon-free power/energy source all can afford including the two-thirds of global households that cannot afford a washing machine!

Over sixty million drought refugees and growing, now languish their lives away in refugee centres and hell hole camps with no prospect of ever leaving! As more and more of an overheating globe surrenders to inevitable desertification!

Brainwashed by green advocate march and protest, demand action but refuse to even look at the facts pertaining to the only energy source available to the entire world, but demand the mos expensive solutions a replacement energy solutions

And this serves the green agenda of reducing the population to just one billion, which is what they believe the natural, normalised enviroment can support! And intend to get there via natural attrition as they retreat to self-sufficiency solutions.

One hope they understand if they are even remotely successful in these outcomes they may well have to kill to retain the same for the selected green acolyte cohort!

And presumes there's some possibility of a return to situation normal and the return of the rains, like that which occurred on our sister planet, also in the habitable Goldilocks zone, Venus! Good luck with that, tree huggers! TBC
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 27 September 2019 9:13:35 AM
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We can't lead shouts the Morrison government, besides we here in Oz only produce a tad over 1% of the world's total carbon pollution! And true enough! And should we decide to eliminate all our current carbon pollution affordably and we could! China could more than replace that saving in a single day! Besides, most of our export income comes from the mining of coal, iron ore and CNG!

All of which as the increase exponentially, exponentially increase the global carbon load faster and faster as more and more is combusted and rainforest(the lungs of the earth) is destroyed at greater than a football field a day, is drying out and now subject to wildfire firestorms that wipe out all the non fire-tolerant species as this or that hard right-wing nut job seeks riches on fire-cleared land! And just madness!

Thus we are surrounded by competing madness, Green acolytes on one side and equally irrational Mannon worshippers on the other, with every sane solution tossed and trampled by the ideologically warring factions as they try and shout louder than the nut jobs they confront as a reverse mirror image!

Alan Goulding Facebook page has posted a couple of shared, public domain videos of what we need as the only energy source we have at our command, with a snowflakes chance in hell of avoiding a global extinction event!

That source is thorium, the most energy-dense material on the planet!

And the system we need to exploit it is MSR, which is not untried, but tied and tested between the fifties and seventies without accident or incident!

Nuclear energy has the lowest accompanying death toll per gigawatt of all comparable energy sources and lower than that of still too expensive and too intermittent, renewables!

Check Alan Goulding's page and the shared short interesting and informative videos and accompanying tables for validation and verification!

Recommended reading has to include Professor and economist, Robert Hargrave's book, Thorium cheaper than coal or that of prize-winning investigative Journalist and science writer, Richard Martin. Who Authored, Thorium, Super Fuel, subtitle, green energy
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 27 September 2019 10:07:46 AM
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Obviously these greenie protesters & their back to nature garbage have no idea. They push their foolishness while living cloistered lives in cities, totally protected from that nature they praise.

I would love to pick up the Greta Thunbergs & her mates & drop them just a couple of miles into the rain forest they worship in say PNG. They would doubtless die, unless rescued. Rain forests are very unpleasant places, offering little sustenance to man, & not that much more for beast. For the uninitiated they are almost impossible to traverse. A little experience of this nature in the raw would be a good education for many.

A village of a hundred can not find enough sustenance on an island of a couple of thousand acres of rich volcanic soils. However with their slash & burn agriculture, just a few acres cleared & farmed gives them all they need.

When I came back to Oz I took a drive out to the riverina. My soul needed to be somewhere where I could see for kilometers, not the few meters available in most of PNG & the islands. I'll take the man tamed landscape above natures any day, & I'm sure that, given a bit of real world experience, so would these fool kids protesting in our streets.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 27 September 2019 10:54:10 AM
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Meanwhile these references from the same book give a muchly more sobering assessment of the humanly created situation in the "21st century"
http://fearnomore.vision/world/integrity-of-the-whole

http://www.dabase.org/not2p1.htm

http://www.da-peace.org/excerpt-two-is-not-peace

http://www.priorunity.org/excerpt-no-enemies

Plus this related reference too: note the contents of the first paragraph of the main essay re the one almost unstoppable force/power which now patterns and controls every minute fraction of human "culture".

http://www.aboutadidam.org/readings/bridge_to_god/index2.html
Posted by Daffy Duck, Friday, 27 September 2019 12:54:06 PM
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Green advocates obfuscate/focus on the problems of climate change. Then having established their parametres/preferred solutions,i.e., the most expensive intermittent solutions.

Reject out of hand anything with the word nuclear included, regardless of factual information, which when it harms their narrative? Is adroitly avoided or brushed aside as of no moment.

Almost if, they want to continue to burn coal as the only available alternative to MSR and thorium. Which few green acolytes know anything at all about/constantly try to assocIate it with crises like Chernobyl/Fukushima.

Almost as if all nuclear applications are the same! When without question there's no semblance/tantamount to regarding a tiger moth as being the same animal as a 747.

Yes, they're both aircraft, but that's where any resemblance ends. MSR is just as different from traditional nuclear reactors!

The latter operate at dangerous explosive pressures as high as 150 atmospheres. The former at ambient normal atmospheric pressure, shut down automatically then self drains into holding tanks if there's any loss of power for any reason.

And have passive safety so good, the personnel could just walkway for the weekend or three or for months an then just walk back in and check on the reactor. In fact, coUld be fuelled up then welded shut for thirty or so years?

Moreover, a properly shielded reactor (easy as), a banana is more radioactive than a properly shield MSR! I've spent the last 8 plus years researching these reactors and this far more abundant and vastly less expensive fuel. The security guard out front costs more than the fuel and one handful of Mumbai sand is enough thorium to power India for one year!

This is the reason for the rejection given how much green capital is now invested in renewables, which cannot complete either on environmental grounds or deaths per gigawatts generated or efficacy as a tool to ameliorate against climate change or universal affordability.

The last the real kick in the guts for green acolytes with their not so hidden, secret agenda!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 27 September 2019 7:15:39 PM
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