Thank you Spencer for your Post.

LesP,

<<Thank you Spencer for your Post.>>

Thanks so much for your encouragement. What's your view on whether it is possible for the Left faction of the Labor Party, that seems to be driving policy, to be able to promote a biblical view of God-given life from conception to natural death?

Is it possible for Labor to accept as policy that those born with a pair of XY chromosomes are males and XX chromosomes are females? Where in Scripture do you see anything that looks like transgender? We live in challenging days.

I look forward to your response.

david f,

<<H11. The following ethical principles should in general be promoted:
1. Abstaining from conduct injurious to life and the physical well-being of persons.
2. Abstaining from the theft of property of others
3. Abstaining from sexual violence and misconduct
4. Abstaining from falsehood, fraud and deception
5. Abstaining from drunkenness, narcotics and mind bending drugs>>

From where do you as an atheist-humanist obtain that value system? Sounds awfully like a Jeremy Bentham utilitarianism.

It is no foundation to stop Hitler, the September 11 bombers, rapists, and DV abusers. It's problem, as I see it, is that you choose one of these values but you can's state and reinforce that that value is wrong for me. Utilitarian relativism is a a disaster when practised in any culture.

david f.

<<For a human virgin to give birth, for a god or for an afterlife there is no evidence.>>

Those are your presuppositions. You are void of any understanding of the nature (attributes) of the Lord God Almighty. The God who created (bara) the world out of nothing (Genesis 1:1), made a heart for me to pump blood through the arteries, made nitrogen and oxygen for me to breathe right now, is absolutely capable of causing a virgin woman to become pregnant. It was in his sovereign plan to provide the Saviour who would die for our sins and be raised on the third day.

Your problem, David, is not only your disbelief in this God but also in the words of J B Phillips, Your God Is Too Small, http://thecommonlife.com/files/books/Your_God_is_Too_Small.pdf. Your 'no god' is way too small and a fake.

As for the afterlife, your small view of God has excluded evidence from Jesus' resurrection that provides revelation of what will happen for every person at death, including you David. Read about it in 1 Corinthians 15: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Cor+15&version=NLT

We are dealing with a serious issue. Where will you be one minute after your last breath? To say: 'In the ground or incinerated in a crematorium', avoids the issue of life after death.

These references provide a comprehensive critique of Spencer's pretentious essay, and the dreadful "authorities" he cites to "prove" his case. All of these "authorities" are just Narcissus in "religious" drag - and therefore entirely godless.

http://www.beezone.com/narcissus.html

Pretentious because the kind of institutional exoteric religiosity that he promotes has nothing to do with Truth and Reality, or with the Life, and the Universal Spirit-Breathing Teaching which Saint Jesus of Galilee taught and demonstrated while he was alive.

Furthermore the principal motive/purpose of such institutional exoteric religiosity is the exercise of (self-appointed) power and control over everyone and everything. And of course such people and institutions still have immense political power, and essentially unlimited deep (money)pockets to finance their power-and-control-seeking agendas.

Much/most of the mommy-daddy religiosity that he/they promote is essentially a childish, even infantile phenomenon.

http://www.dabase.org/up-1-2.htm

http://www.beezone.com/da_publications/freersex.html

As always the religious fanatics found a way to turn the topic of whether or not a labor party can change its spots? But as usual, go so far of topic to be off the reservation and claiming words written in ancient parchment by who knows who!? I mean most of these documents were penned by scribes and almost always took their lead from the current cultural custom!

Thus ritualized stoning was ordered by God on the back of all too often, the uncorroborated testament of one male!

And so much-revised and edited from day dot to have ay veracity! Let alone absolute verifiable truth, as claimed by a patently fanatical OZPEN!

When there's no substantive evidence! None!

Personally. Someone should give OZPEN a brand new tactical torch so Runner can slide down the beam and escape, then when finally safe on the ground turn it on the window so his running mate the absolutely certain OZPEN can also escape!

Y'll have a nice day now, y'hear.
Alan B.