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Can a Labor leopard change its spots? : Comments

By Spencer Gear, published 19/9/2019

Can the Labor Party win back voters lost at the last election through changes of policies? Or will religious people see it as a suck up?

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Labor could maybe set up a Christian workers union type thing so that Christians can meld their work and faith lives a bit better, pray together before shift, sundays off and so on
Posted by progressive pat, Thursday, 19 September 2019 9:53:21 AM
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"I'll believe Labor is serious about promoting religious values when I see more people like The Honourable Shayne Neumann MP (Labor Federal Member for Blair, Qld), an active member of Baptist Church, promoted in ALP ranks. I'm yet to be convinced their values synchronise with a biblical world view."

What is a biblical worldview? There are many translations of the Bible. Some translations of Isaiah 7:14 say a virgin shall conceive. Other translations say a young woman shall conceive. The Hebrew version of Isaiah 7:14 has 'almah' which translates to young woman.

If any version of the Christian Bible is chosen that leaves out the Jews whose Bible does not contain the New Testament. If any Protestant version of the Bible is used that leaves out the Catholics who subscribe to the Douay Version which is not used by Protestants.

If any version of the Bible is used, that leaves out the Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs who get their religious values from non-Biblical sacred texts.

If values are derived from any religious text, that leaves out the significant percentage of Australians who identify with no religion.

The Labor party as well as any political party must appeal to Australians of any religious belief or none. Australia is a country for all Australians of any religious outlook. This is incompatible with a biblical worldview.
Posted by david f, Thursday, 19 September 2019 10:14:48 AM
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NO! Like asking a donkey to gallop! These folk are a union-owned, divided rabble with no consistent narrative or discipline! Don't have any big-picture people, and folk able to put the national interest ahead of their own political ambitions! It's a big church, they claim but the house of Babel behind closed doors and oft times out in the open!

Leadership is not knowing everything the other guy got wrong and just playing the endless blame shift game!

Labour came to the last election with some good ideas! And to be true to their base and the next generation should stay with them by and large! Yes, that will again make them a big target and they need to stay the course and true to their core principles! What ad who they stand for!

Just add a few new nation-building ideas! MSR thorium, deionisation dialysis desalination, graphene highways, rapid rail, and cooperative capitalism. And with the above, massively turbocharge the economy and claw back our self-determination, independence and economic sovereignty!

And need to undo the ties that bind them to the union movement as its puppet! Advocate public funding of all elections to destroy forever harmful damaging outside influence and special interest issues!

The latter an essential as is getting the cold dead hand of factions off of its political throat and fortunes.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 19 September 2019 10:31:43 AM
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Footnote.

The very last thing Labor or any party needs is to allow blatant bigots and their loudly proclaimed (oft bogus) religious values to drive out secular values!

Politics and religion just do not mix!

If you want to pound a pulpit and espouse what a jolly good person you are, join a church and become a pastor etc. If on the other hand, you want to do something for your fellow man? Join a political party and keep your religious values to yourself!

Albeit, use them to guide your (golden code) decisions and persuasive argument! It's said, an unexamined life is worthless!

So also an unexamined religious belief! And so many! They can't all be right! Or indeed, any one of them!

What we need above all else, to guide political decision making, is the almighty irrefutable truth, not he said she said hearsay! The latter the essential foundation stone of all religion!

What we don't need is some pulpit pounding fruit loop deciding public policy! Given no religion is evidence-based, just relies entirely on faith! Even religious text is the work of plagiarising and embellishing Authors, few of who were eyewitness to what they claim is true.

What all religion seems to have in common is an often obsessive need to control the minds and thoughts of others!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 19 September 2019 10:55:15 AM
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'The very last thing Labor or any party needs is to allow blatant bigots and their loudly proclaimed (oft bogus) religious values to drive out secular values! '

Yeah secular 'values'

killing unborn babies
promoting promiscurity and pervesion
encouraging drug taking
denying the obvious (Creator)
adopting pseudo science for lack of real morality (eg virtue signalling about climate change)
denying biology (babies born with penis equals male)
destroying the role of a father
fatherless kids

Yeah what a lovely lot of 'values'.

People to blind/ignorant to see everything decent in our community originated by those adopting Judea Christian values. We know who the true bigots are and they are very much supported by the abc and the rest of the lying liberal media.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 19 September 2019 11:25:50 AM
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Ah, so Mr Runner! And at it again putting your words into the mouths of others, or as you might say, bearing false witness! Killing any human involves stilling a beating human heart and nobody but nobody does that in the way you infer! NOBODY!

Taking a medical decision to abort a fetus is never ever done lightly but for sound medical reasons and or, just unimaginable economic reasons. Children that are not wanted or aren't affordable often go on to have rat-bag lives that make Nazi prison camps look like holiday destinations. And totally against the do unto others philosophy, you claim to hold and represent!

I judge you, Mr Runner, an incorrigible bigot! Without so much as an ounce of Christian charity in your black judgemental heart! And something you of all people has to resort to, to strenuously avoid looking at the plank in your own eye!

Sir Richard Branson tells a story where he invites a highly placed, Flat Earth official to a free flight in one of his low orbit spacecraft. The man sat glued to a porthole and watched as a round world unfolded before his very eyes. Upon landing, Sir Richard enquired, so, what do you think now?

Whereupon the highly place official replied, and here I paraphrase, the special effects were very realistic and the graphics were almost believable.

And demonstrates a mind just as closed as Mr Runners and able to ignore all and any countervailing evidence that demonstrates, his completely disgraced, personal, stone age, belief system, is far more important to him or her than the mighty irrefutable evidence-based truth!

And given that so continues to not only live a lie, but not satisfied with that, needs to poison and control the minds of others with his demonstrable falsehoods!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 19 September 2019 2:49:29 PM
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