take a bex and lie down Alan. Your rants of bile do your health no good.

Dear Runner,

http://vgweb.org/manussa/coreprin.htm contains core principles of secular humanism and commentary on them.

The core principles are:

H1. The only relevant spheres of action for humans are humanity in a collective sense, individual human beings, and the physical environment (nature) in which they operate.

H2. Human beings are not subject to God or any divine agency. They have no obligation to love, fear or obey any such supernatural agent.

H3. All beliefs must be founded on reason and human experience. Where the progress of knowledge reveals that any belief is or becomes untenable it should be abandoned.

H4. All human beings are entitled to inalienable human rights such as those enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

H5. These rights inhere to humans from the time the human fetus becomes a viable biological entity capable of independent existence without physical or organic dependence on another human being.

H6. Humans do not have a right of dominion over animals and the environment, it being recognized that humans along with many other species of animals do change their environment by their very existence.

H7. Children shall not be subjected to physical and mental abuse, nor to religious or political indoctrination by parents or others. The rights of children should be codified in a charter of children's' rights.

H8. Civil laws should be arrived at by a collective consensual process and should promote the common good, not the tenets of a particular religion or philosophy.

H9. Special privileges should not be given to any group on the basis of religious or philosophical belief, nor should any group be discriminated against on grounds such as race, ethnicity, beliefs, gender or age.

H10. There is no conclusive evidence that life exists after death so humans should exert themselves primarily in terms of their present life.

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H11. The following ethical principles should in general be promoted:

1. Abstaining from conduct injurious to life and the physical well-being of persons.
2. Abstaining from the theft of property of others
3. Abstaining from sexual violence and misconduct
4. Abstaining from falsehood, fraud and deception
5. Abstaining from drunkenness, narcotics and mind bending drugs

H12. Humanism should develop an attitude of compassion to those in a state of suffering from whatever cause that leads to the suffering, and seek to engage in action that alleviates this suffering.

Davidf

Your list of 'principles' are nothing but a cherry picking of contradictory irrational nonsense. Article 3 states 'All beliefs must be founded on reason' .

Something from nothing, denying of complex creation not needing a Creator and making up ones own morality totally defies reason. The pathetic unscientific nonsense you quote in H5 trying to justify killing unborn babies shows how deceitful and ignorance the writer of this nonsense is.

And to think you have the ignorance/audacity to criticise the bible. You seem to have lost your ability to reason. Another way to describe a seared conscience. How the writers of this piffle can include the word 'compassion' just highlights how irrational their were/are.

Dear runner,

To me it seems a good principle that all beliefs must be founded on reason. You have spoken of secular humanism. I thought it might be interesting for you to see what one secular humanist lists as humanist principles. Other humanists might disagree with some of those principles.

For a human virgin to give birth, for a god or for an afterlife there is no evidence. Where there no evidence for a belief it cannot be supported by reason. However, Australia is a free country, and you are free to believe what you like whether or not it is supported by reason.

'However, Australia is a free country, and you are free to believe what you like whether or not it is supported by reason.'

yeah you to Davidf. Just don't be as arrogant enough to claim humanism is based on reason. In fact the opposite is true. Something from nothing?