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Where’s the Prime Minister on the free speech crisis? : Comments

By Augusto Zimmermann, published 27/6/2019

The agnostic Latham defends freedom of religion and freedom of speech for Christians, but the Christian PM cowardly refuses to make a comment.

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Alan B's freedom of speech should not allow him to come on OLO and impose his flawed beliefs, or flawed brainwashed teachings on anyone. His social opinions are for him and him alone. Alan B. should be censored because expressing opinions about how homosexuality is normal should be considered hate speech.

Similarly, there should be a Religious Discrimination Act so that intolerant bigots like Alan B. could be prosecuted for causing "offence, insult and hurt" to any religious person offended by his opinion.
Posted by LEGO, Friday, 28 June 2019 4:52:49 AM
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Big Nana and Dan S de Merengue. Common sense has no role today."He who pays the piper calls a tune of hypocrisy".
Such is the universal dominance of commodification, that sponsors now dictate contracts and free speech. Australian employment law requires that an employee cooperate with their employer, and not engage in any conduct that would undermine the business or bring it into disrepute. Courts have increasingly interpreted these principles to enable employers to control the private or out-of-hours conduct of employees.As the Wallabies’ main sponsor, Qantas pressured Rugby Australia to take action against Folau. Qantas, led by homosexual chief executive Alan Joyce was at the forefront of campaigning for same sex marriage during the 2017 plebiscite. Joyce has vowed the airline will continue to campaign on matters of public controversy.
Rugby Australia has attempted to dodge the fundamental principle of free speech by claiming that no one is denying Israel’s right to have a point of view. They’re not engaging in the freedom of speech debate, they defensively profess, “it’s a contractual public persona debate."
Since 2012, Qantas and Emirates airline have been in partnership. At the time, Mr Joyce gushed, “Emirates is the ideal partner for Qantas”. In 2017, he boasted “The first five years of the Qantas-Emirates alliance has been a great success”.
Lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) rights are heavily suppressed in the United Arab Emirates. The UAE Penal Code is ambiguous as to whether homosexuality is punishable by death.
Such hypocrisy bedevils any attempt at rational debate on free speech
Posted by Leslie, Friday, 28 June 2019 8:15:06 AM
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Leslie Continued
And equivocation further clouds the issue. A plank of Pentecostal doctrine is that only born-again Christians will gain salvation. Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, atheists, and non-born-again Christians will be punished by an eternity in the torments of hell.
During the election campaign,the Pentecostal Mr Morrison came under increasing pressure to define his position, which seems to be all points of the moral compass. Asked directly if he believed gay people go to hell, Mr Morrison replied: "I support the law of the country…I don't mix my religion with politics or my faith with politics…” The Prime Minister backed freedom of speech and freedom of religion but also backed the right of employers to terminate contracts if they are breached.
Posted by Leslie, Friday, 28 June 2019 8:16:38 AM
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There are a few folks here, who claim that I'm in favour of annal or homosexual sex. Nowhere have I stated such a view! I did say, if homosexual sex, i.e., anal sex is a sin, so also is anal sex between consenting heterosexual couples.

Anal sex performed by whoever remains anal sex! Those so engaged, be they gay or straight, should at least practice safe sex/always wear a condom.

Because I say these things, Dan just doesn't mean my approving of the activity per se! Your quite blatant misrepresentation of my words is hardly that of any ethical religious orthodoxy!

Doesn't give any of the other ignorance personified, homophobes expressing their "religious" rants here, licence to attack me on massively/willfully misrepresented grounds!

Big Nana. Never ever claimed you were religious!

You can't have both ways!

Sorry, the obvious pun wasn't intended. If homosexual sex, i.e., anal sex, is wrong, sinful, dirty, just plain unhygienic. So also is the same backdoor practice between consenting heterosexuals!

Some of who could also be born again Christians/Muslim. Or if you will those who follow the imposed from without, "Christianity as permitted by pagan sun worshipper/Christian persecuting, Roman Emporer Constantine!.

Who was only baptised on his deathbed, appointed the bishops of Rome/Constantinople, decided what text would be allowed or included in the first official bible, which makes the first official bible the creation of a Pagan Sun Worshiper, runner!

He had lots of formerly acceptable text excluded on the grounds of personal preferences. Like that where we are all of us fallen angels trying to get back.

This "Bible" to become one of the most revised books in history, save that of the Qoran?

The oldest known Bible in existence resides in a Munich museum, bears little semblance to today's endlessly revised editions!

So much so, you'd be forgiven for believing they were completely different books by completely different Authors.

Many of who clearly plagiarised/embellished the work of previous scholars!

(Suggested reading, Pillars of the earth. A ripping good yarn that is historically accurate!)
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 28 June 2019 10:49:33 AM
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typical weasel words to avoid professing his official Pentacostal religious stance on the matter.

rache,
Because he's not a politician first & foremost is what makes him a more suitable manager of this Nation. Politicians simply politic their way through the years without actually achieving anything for their country.
You'll find over the next decade these people will be made much more accountable now that the process has begun ! Ability & competence are already replacing mere education certificate waving !
Posted by individual, Friday, 28 June 2019 4:54:53 PM
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I've just finished writing on another post, about the sheer lunacy of this whole Folau affair and it's relativity to free speech.
There's absolutely nothing to debate or discuss.
Firstly and I think, mainly, is the fact that we are discussing free speech and religion.
I'm not sure if anyone else has actually given thought to 'religion', and it's relevance, especially today.
I can understand that 2000 years ago people were un-informed and very gullible.
Well, apparently, they still are, 2000 years later.
Which is amazing considering we are supposed to be better educated and informed than those of 2000 years ago.
I was raised a christian but as I 'grew up', I began questioning many of the things written in the Bible.
I realised the Bible, in fact ALL so called religious scripts, are in fact 'fiction'.
No one has, ever 'walked' on water, nor turned a fish into a banquet, or water into wine, died and was reborn, (well not without modern medical intervention) shall I go on?
These are simply stories and just maybe should be considered as such, and NOT true accounts of what a 'man' did.
That a guy called Jesus existed, I have no doubt.
That he was and did the things reported in the Bible I have no doubt that they are absolutely NOT TRUE!
C'mon people, what are you 3 years old?
The question of free speech when someone is talking absolute shite, in reality, or opinion, is moot.
Because Folau made a statement which has no substance, it was therefore not credible.
Therefore he did not offend anyone, because if there is no heaven or hell or God, in fact let's just say religion doesn't exist, it's made up.
Anything said in the name of religion is therefore moot.
Someone maligns a particular club or group which everyone knows, does not exist, renders any comments whether free speech or hate speech, irrelevant, or moot, why? because the entity mentioned or being maligned DOES NOT EXIST!
NRA should have said his comments had no substance, but he was entitled to make them.
Posted by ALTRAV, Friday, 5 July 2019 2:34:33 AM
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