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Where’s the Prime Minister on the free speech crisis? : Comments

By Augusto Zimmermann, published 27/6/2019

The agnostic Latham defends freedom of religion and freedom of speech for Christians, but the Christian PM cowardly refuses to make a comment.

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Daffy Duck,

I found nothing productive for open discussion in your 3 paragraphs.

<<What a pathetic article/essay … such poorly argued rants.>>

We cannot have a rational discussion when you resort to an Ad Hominem (Abusive) fallacy like this. It is fallacious reasoning.

<<For instance there is absolutely zero evidence that there is a "reign of terror against christians" in Australia.>>

Have you checked in ALL workplaces in Australia, in every school, seen how Christian people in the medical profession are treated, seen how Graham Preston has been persecuted and prosecuted in his advocacy for unborn children and against abortion. See: http://www.eternitynews.com.au/in-depth/i-go-to-jail-to-save-babies/

<<And in my opinion very few mainstream Australian christians who are in any sense sane would now believe that "sinners burn in hell" when they die. There is of course ZERO evidence for such an absurd belief.>>

You have committed an Appeal to Popularity logical fallacy. See: http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/40/Appeal-to-Popularity. Because many people accept a certain view does not make it correct. We need to debate the evidence. You have not done that here with your assertions.

In addition, have you checked with all mainstream (definition please) Christians to discover how many of them believe the Bible’s statement: ‘And they (the unrighteous) will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life’ (Matthew 25:46)?

You gave us a lot of your unsupported presuppositions in the post.

C S Lewis wrote: ‘There is no doctrine which I would more willingly remove from Christianity than this, if it lay in my power. But it has the full support of Scripture and, specially, of Our Lord’s own words; it has always been held by Christendom; and it has the support of reason’.
Posted by OzSpen, Thursday, 27 June 2019 8:17:24 PM
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Your a classic runner...I love it...your on fire...

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 27 June 2019 8:22:02 PM
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Armchair critic,

<<Freedom of speech means supporting the right of others to say things you don't agree with.>>

Have you noticed that the accusations against Folau of anti-diversity and non-inclusiveness have missed something strategic? Where is the support for diversity and inclusiveness including Israel Folau's evangelical Christian beliefs?

He said on Instagram what has been part of the Christian Gospel for 2,000 years.

Nothing new for Christianity in what Folau said, but what is new is the new politically correct meaning of diversity and inclusiveness.
Posted by OzSpen, Thursday, 27 June 2019 8:26:15 PM
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Alan B is totally lost on this subject.

Before you beat the empty vessel any louder, try educating yourself.

Here is a link to a well researched book on Amazon, which will update (sic) you on the public health issues of homosexuality. In the book are facts and current figures which refute your entire stand on the issue.

You can read this publication for anywhere between $00 and $27.00. It's up to you!

Link:

https://www.amazon.com/Health-Hazards-Homosexuality-Psychological-Research/dp/1539983811

Selection from Amazon profile of the book…

*…There is an astoundingly disproportionate incidence of medical and psychological pathologies among homosexual men, lesbians, and bisexuals. Yet the general public knows little about the baneful nature of homosexuality and its associated addictions and behaviours that invite disease…*

And from a reviewer (Dr).

*...Admittedly, this 500 page tome with 98 pages of references in the endnotes, is a challenge to read. It is a challenge on more than one level, in that it presents facts about homosexuality to which the very people who need them won't listen...*

Dan.
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 27 June 2019 8:54:09 PM
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I don’t think we need more laws to enforce our freedoms. We just need a bit of sense to apply to the laws we already have.

The RA have been so heavy handed that is has worked against them, enough that many feel compelled to want to support Folau’s court battles with their wallets. I think Folau should also have been more careful and less heavy handed with his message.

He and RA should have managed to sit down and better talk things through. I still think they should try and reconcile their differences.

Maybe I’ll change my view after the Folau cases has been dealt with in the courts. Maybe ScoMo at that time will do something about the issue. He’s still got a couple of years to make good on his promises
Posted by Dan S de Merengue, Thursday, 27 June 2019 11:28:08 PM
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Morrison is just being a typical politician.

Despite his apparent stance, remember that he didn't even vote on the marriage equality bill rather than publicly expose his personal beliefs.

When he was asked what he thought about "Gay Conversion Therapy" he replied that he "doesn't think about it" - typical weasel words to avoid professing his official Pentacostal religious stance on the matter.

He has a price and it's apparently his job that comes first - but he can't hide forever.
Posted by rache, Friday, 28 June 2019 1:53:16 AM
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