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Does it matter if abortion kills babies? : Comments

By Graham Preston, published 10/5/2019

If a person were to stand outside Dr Portman’s abortion clinic with a sign saying, 'Abortion kills babies' they would be arrested and potentially fined.

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Then keep your opinions to yourself.

Do us all a favour.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 11 May 2019 4:00:33 PM
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"Then keep your opinions to yourself.

Do us all a favour".

Not sure who this instruction applies to, but if it's me, you know what you can do. You are really over the top telling people to keep their opinions to themselves on a site that exists purely for people to express their opinions. Bizarre! You really should get help as suggested previously.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 11 May 2019 4:21:09 PM
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Problem: domestic abuse and repeated rape. Solution? Not abortion! Leave the abuser before it continues and gets worse. That abortion is an easier solution then leaving an abusive relationship says how much is wrong in the world.

Problem: Girl gets pregnant. Boyfriend leaves from military. Boy dies. Girl from the loss or the pregnancy kills herself. Solutions? Abortion apparently wasn't available, and in hindsight it is called for as the solution that could have saved the girl's life. Reality is that suicide needs better attention and solutions then abortion. Another sad state of affairs if abortion is called the solution.

Problem: child gets into an accident at a young age. Has to go through surgery and years of physical therapy. Solution? Deals with it, parents fight insurance agents to help pay for therapy, and the child grows up to be an adult. Same situation before the child is born? Doctor informs the parents the baby might be born with a disability. Recommends abortion. The solution given for the sake of the unborn baby is an unthinkable solution to give to the young child with a severe injury.

Problem: The parents don't want the baby. Solution? Why did they have the baby to begin with? Contraception is available to almost anyone. So having sex and getting a surprise should result in an adoption, not an abortion.

Every problem that abortion is the solution to is either the easy way out that requires killing; or worse, is the easy way out and does nothing for the unresolved issues leading up to the decision to abort. Abortion should not be the first solution to problems that have kids involved in them. It shows we have no capacity to deal with life's issues, or with trying to get out of them.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Saturday, 11 May 2019 7:17:54 PM
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To David f. I don't want women harassed, but I also don't buy that every time there's a protest on abortion that it counts as harassment. Regardless of the potential of harassment or not, abortion needs to go. (I don't see much value in protests now a days. They seem too prone to an escalated situation leading to vandalism or to violence. Nonetheless, any other solution to the issues of life is met with resistance. I don't blame people from protesting because there is no other path to address the issue of abortion).

Abortion feeds on a woman in a vulnerable part of their life. They make money by comforting a women to let them kill her child before it's born. Look at the numbers for how many abortions take place every year. There are issues that are not being dealt with .... Because killing your baby before it's born is easier!

Here's a thought for any woman ether pregnant or considering an abortion. Be there for the woman. Be a support so that she doesn't have to be afraid and think abortion is the only way out, and that she is alone with no support. How many abortions will be saved by this small action towards just teenagers. How many more if family said "you're not alone, don't be afraid." Regardless of the age of the woman.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Saturday, 11 May 2019 7:18:55 PM
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Only the State has authority on behalf of its citizens, to justify killing.
There are no moral arguments in law.

There are injustices in law though, and in my opinion, legal abortion fits here.

Although it may fit neatly into that square, it's a shaky argument to ban abortion when it's not mandatorily applied to women, against their wishes. There is a choice.

Unfortunately, to use the argument of the killing a living foetus as murder, can also be equally be applied to a ban on war. It's a moral argument.

The argument for State authority to hold judicial rights over abortion, is one of pure practicality. That's evidence of the sad world we live in.

We can argue easily for abortion to be kept from view, as consideration to those citizens that oppose abortion on moral grounds: But this is a world now more than ever, where personal freedom dominates over moral argument against it.
Posted by diver dan, Saturday, 11 May 2019 8:14:01 PM
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To extrapolate a future for the abolishinists from my argument, legal abortions weak point arises in its inability to treat all citizens equally.

This weakness has to be seen as the Achilles heel of legal abortion. From this point it should be driven out of sight.
High profile abortion clinics are an affront to citizens with a moral objection to abortion,

When prostitution was legalised, in retrospect, high profiling was its biggest win.

If activists wish to gain ground against abortion, then abortion clinics need to be relegated to the back blocks without signage, and with a ban on advertising, as its main goal for the initial short term.

It's a position sure to achieve increased public sympathy over campaigning for an outright ban on abortion, and consequently a greater chance to incrementally force an outright ban on abortion sometime in the future, as a second strategic aim.
Posted by diver dan, Saturday, 11 May 2019 9:05:03 PM
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