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It’s time we stand up against the growing persecution of Christians in Australia : Comments

By Augusto Zimmermann, published 7/5/2019

Christians are the most persecuted religious group in the world today, with significant levels of persecution in 144 countries, according according to 2016 data.

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“Christianity is both poorly understood and considered negatively by many Australians. is both poorly understood and considered negatively by many Australians”.

In other words, they don't understand the basis of their society and way of life! There is no hope for people like that. Too busy apologising for vicious Islam perhaps, or just too bovine. You don't have to be a Christian, or even like it, to know how Christianity has underwritten the benefits we enjoy.

In Australia, a rugby player cannot express his Christian beliefs without a furore and threats of career loss, but Muslims displaying placards bearing the message 'behead infidels’, and all the hatred from mad mullahs goes unremarked by Australian dead heads.

Ah well. Stupid Australians will, in the not too distant future, not have to worry about Christianity: what they think will be regulated by Islam or Communist Chinese atheism. After the 18th of May, if the Labor part takes government, they will get a taste of that future. There are plenty of atheistic, Christian-haters in that mob.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 10:54:09 AM
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PERSECUTION!? What persecution? Just because religious fanatics are howled down by the sane majority doesn't mean they are persecuted!

Or that the sane majority that still owns their own minds and opinions agreed overwhelmingly with the voluntary SSM plebiscite! Doesn't mean that brainwashed troglobites are persecuted!

Just their verbal vomit (gays will go to hell etc) is the thing we find so objectionable!

In fact, their intolerable errant views are tolerated and defended. Always providing they keep their obtuse obdurate views private and don't as is their usual practice, try and ram their errant brainwashed views on the still tolerant others not having their view of reality foisted on them by the usual cloud dwellers. But rather, the irrefutable verifiable objective scientific evidence!

As for the other offshore examples given, this is always going to happen when intolerance focuses its view on different others. And excused oft times by what occurred with the shoe on the other foot over a century ago?

I'm glad this topic was raised at this time in the election cycle, so it can remind voters to sit up and remember just who were the most vocal opponents of SSM still standing at this election. The less power these folk have the better for an increasingly inclusive and genuinely tolerant society!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 7 May 2019 11:00:54 AM
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345 deaths per month are a little more than 'howling down'.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 12:25:24 PM
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It is you christians persecuting gays and trans gender people, refugees, muslims, women seeking abortions, anyone having sex, children, athiests, scientists and teachers.
Get your hand off it mate you are the persecutors.
Thats why people have to keep pulling you lot into line with laws like the ones prohibiting harassment at abortion clinics and why we had to vote on same sex marriage and why they have to get rid of fools like foloau.

It is not persecution it is stopping you lot from persecuting other people. People you blindly hate and fear and want to see burn in hell.
Posted by mikk, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 2:22:31 PM
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yep guilt free baby killing and perversion being taught to kids. The sacred cows of the marxist.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 2:24:22 PM
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345 deaths a month ttbn? In Australia? Surely not?

If however, this is occurring in other sovereign nations that just don't respect human rights? Like say, Russia China, Turkey, Syria, Egypt, and others? WTF can we do about it?

Start another Christian crusade with the "Christian" kiddy fiddlers in the vanguard?

I wonder how much of this blatant anti-gay (casting first stones) persecution by the intolerant Christian right has led to the suicide of young gays around the entire globe? More than 345 a month perhaps?

And given this may be so? How much of this innocent blood is on the brainwashed hands of the hard right religious fanatics of all denominations and belief systems.

And will folk like Folou accept their responsibility or wait until they are also judged for their deeds, words and responsibilities?

Rember well the SSM plebiscite and who stood solid and four square against it when you cast your vote!

And advise all who will listen to do likewise! Time to tell these (brainwashed from birth) folk their stone age views are not and never ever were acceptable here

Yea, verily yea.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 7 May 2019 3:31:06 PM
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mikk,

Please tell us which Christians are “ persecuting gays and trans gender people, refugees, muslims, women seeking abortions, anyone having sex, children, athiests, scientists and teachers”. In what form is persecution of all these people taking place? Merely expressing opinions is not persecution.

Who is “pulling” who “into line”? Are you saying that your posts are having some effect on people you disagree with?

Are you seriously saying that killing Christians is “not persecution”, but merely stopping them from from persecuting the people you prefer to Christians?
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 3:42:15 PM
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I am very sensitive and concerned about religious persecution - this is a very serious matter for one should rather die than forsake their religion.

This is why I do not approve of this crying "wolf": who will then listen if/when Christians and/or other religions are in fact persecuted?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 12:36:51 AM
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Dear Augusto (the author),

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According to the latest Pew Research Report, in 2016, Christians were harassed in 144 countries, up from 128 countries the year before … Muslims were harassed in 142 countries, up from 125 countries, including in 41 out of 45 European countries.

The increase for the period 2015 – 2016 was 16 countries for Christians and 17 for Muslims.

In the 198 countries covered by the study, Muslims were harassed in 142 countries and Christians in 144 – two more than the Muslims. Nothing much to shout about really.

It is not possible to conclude from this, as you do, that “Christians are the most persecuted religious group in the world today”. The report clearly states (page 41, chapter entitled “Countries and Territories”, second paragraph) :

« Although the 198 countries and territories vary widely, in size, population, wealth, ethnic diversity, religious makeup and form of government, the study does not attempt to adjust for such differences ».

This means that each of the countries with tiny populations such as the Holy See (population: 799), Tokelau (1,340), Niue (1,628), the Falkland Islands (2,921) is considered to be equivalent to each of the heavily populated countries such as China (1,420,062,022), India (1,368,737,513), the USA (329,093,110), Indonesia (269,536,482), etc.

That, of course, is utterly ridiculous.

All that one can conclude is that Christians were harassed in two more countries than Muslims. The Pew Research is limited to the number of countries in which Christians were harassed in 2016. It does not indicate the number of Christians harassed.

It is possible, if not likely, that they were less numerous than the total number of Muslims harassed.

According to the 2011 Census, over 476,300 Muslims live in Australia, representing 2.2% of the total population (ABS 2012).

Islam is the third largest religion in Australia after Christianity (61.1 percent) and Buddhism (2.5 per cent). Most Muslims living in Australia are concentrated in urban centres, predominantly Melbourne and Sydney.

Here is the Pew Research Report:

http://www.pewforum.org/2018/06/21/global-uptick-in-government-restrictions-on-religion-in-2016/

Here is an interesting survey of Muslims in Australia, the US and France:

http://www.deakin.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/1029981/Islamic_Religiosity_220x275mm_FA.pdf

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 1:12:25 AM
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mikk can't back his wild claims. mikk is all mouth and trousers.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 9:16:30 AM
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Dear Banjo,

Your comments reveal a complete lack of understanding of the matter. According to a seminal report commissioned by the British foreign secretary millions of Christians in Muslim-majority countries have been uprooted from their homes, and many have been killed, kidnapped, imprisoned and discriminated against, the report finds.

The official report also highlights anti-Christian discrimination across Muslim-majority south-east Asia, sub-Saharan Africa and in East Asia – often driven by Islamic governments. “The inconvenient truth,” the report finds, is “that the overwhelming majority (80%) of persecuted religious believers are Christians”.

Every year a non-governmental institution called Freedom House organizes a survey on the situation of democracy and human rights throughout the world. These surveys indicate that the denial of the broadest range of human rights comes from Marxist-communist and Muslim-majority countries: “These worse-rated countries represent a narrow range of systems of cultures.”

In The Price of Freedom Denied, Brian J. Grim and Roger Finke examine the face of resurgent religious fundamentalism and debate about the place of religion in the world. Perhaps the most controversial finding is that in majority-Muslim countries “religious persecution is reported in 100 percent of cases.” “Religious persecution is not only more prevalent in Muslim-majority countries, but it also generally occurs at a more severe level.”, they say.

In these Muslim-majority countries, a Christian caught practicing his or her faith in Saudi Arabia is likely to be beheaded in public; a half-million Christians have fled Iraq; and Islamists regularly attack and kill Christian Copts in Egypt and burn down their churches. This goes without saying that the Islamic law known as Sharia prescribes the amputation of hands for theft (V.38), crucifixion for spreading disorder (V.33), stoning to death for adultery, execution of homosexuals and apostates (XXVI.165-66).

Islamic Sharia grossly violates basic human rights that we in the West have long deemed fundamental or inalienable.
Posted by AugZim, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 10:20:22 PM
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I sometimes think that some of these polls have manipulated data.

I don't believe that the number one issue in Australia with 63% of voters saying Climate Change is the number one issue.

I honestly just flat-out don't believe it.
But I think if you specifically called electorates that you knew had a propensity to support the climate change issue you may get closer to the mark, or if you lead the people surveyed with multiple choices, then maybe.

Another issue that can't be avoided is the fact that most people probably wouldn't detect any huge climate change differences themselves;
- Which just means that the people surveyed are just repeating the scare campaign drilled into them.

And it also means that the other important issues are knocked down the list; thus under-reported and under-represented by politicians.

Democracy in 2019 is far too wide open to manipulation of the masses.
People will believe whatever crap is splashed across a tv by a paid newsreader in formal attire.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 9 May 2019 4:40:36 AM
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"In the 198 countries covered by the study, Muslims were harassed in 142 countries and Christians in 144"

Looks like 'religion' scores top spot as the number one cause of problems on the planet;
- Or is it 'immigration'?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 9 May 2019 5:43:58 AM
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www.gatestoneinstitute.org/13975/uk-unwelcome-christians
Posted by George, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 8:31:28 AM
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