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The dangers of values: Brenton Tarrant, Fraser Anning and the Christchurch shootings : Comments

By Binoy Kampmark, published 18/3/2019

Playing the values game is a dangerous one. What, exactly, are

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Australia under the White Australia Policy was an infinitely safer society than Australia ( or New Zealand) today. I don't know whether a majority of Australians supported the white Australia policy or not. It's abolition was imposed upon us by a Labor government without recourse to public opinion. As a young person, I supported the abolition of the white Australia policy because I had been brainwashed by my teachers to think that all races were equal. I was smart enough to know that all cultures most certainly were not equal, but I presumed that the government would not go so far as to create an immigration program which ensured the social suicide of my own race, in my own country.

I had forgotten about the pendulum effect. That is, that the white Australia policy was enforced by people who were fundamentalist racists and who would never contemplate the immigration of anybody who did not have a white skin, regardless of that person's worth or character. These public servants were then replaced by fundamentalist anti racists who insisted that every race and culture was equal, and who opened the floodgates to people from third world crap holes regardless of worth, and when the predicted social problems eventuated, went into denial mode and insisted that nothing was wrong.

With Europeans now realising that their societies are going backward, mainly caused by the importation of people who do not share our values and who refuse to assimilate (while living on our social security and committing serious crimes against us), the pendulum is swinging back. Anti immigration parties are the new force in European countries and the danger is that the pendulum will swing as far to the right as it can go.

The smart thing for lefties like Foxy to do is to admit that their extremist policies are a disaster and to mitigate the increasing racism of Europeans towards troublesome minorities by instigating a more discriminatory immigration policy. The very first reform would be to admit that Islam and democracy are incompatible and to stop Islamic immigration into western countries.
Posted by LEGO, Saturday, 23 March 2019 5:45:27 AM
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LEGO,

Most recent research shows 85% of Australians agree
that multiculturalism has been good for the country.
The Scanlon Foundation's Multicultural Discussion
Paper has been tracking people's views across more than
a decade of surveys. Data shows Australians are generally
very accepting of cultural diversity and immigration
but the level of support varies across generations,
geographical locations and demographic groups.

Still, as I've stated earlier - prejudice never
survives a personal inter-action, and the more
we can do to foster - not just tolerance that other
people might have a different culture than us - but
actually foster inter-cultural relationships and
facilitate a real discussion between people of different
backgrounds the more we are going to change people's
perceptions and prejudices.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 23 March 2019 10:19:53 AM
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To Foxy.

Were those the same "opinion polls" who confidently predicted that Trump did not have a snowball's chance in Hell of becoming President? Or, who confidently predicted that the British would remain in the EU?

And I'll bet you are right that that support for multiculturalism differs between geographical locations and demographic groups. Those who live the closest to the problems of cultural division are the most against it, and those who live the furtherest away are the biggest supporters. Recently arrived migrants think it is great because they want to make Australia just like the cesspit country they fled from, while white Australians hate it because it is making Australia look like a bankrupt third world cesspit.

Now you are chanting mantras about prejudice and tolerance. Everybody prejudges, Foxy, just like you did when you negatively stereotyped right wingers on another topic. And tolerance can never be an end in itself. If you tolerate everything, you stand for nothing. Do you tolerate National Socialists?

Lieutenant Lego to Captain Foxy. "Captain, we are sailing in uncharted waters and we need to slow down and change course before we hit an iceberg, like that great big one right ahead of us which every other ship that came this way has hit and been sunk by. We have already hit a bunch of little ones which have damaged our ship of state, but if we slow down and change course now, we might reduce the damage we will receive when we finally hit it."

Captain Foxy to Lego. "We can't change course or slow down now lieutenant, too many passengers are enjoying the ride and want us to go faster. In any case, our political officer assured me that icebergs were harmless. The only threats to our remaining afloat comes from white icebergs anyway, and we don't care about them. The reports of ships hitting icebergs and sinking is just a media beat up. And in any case, this ship is unsinkable."
Posted by LEGO, Saturday, 23 March 2019 12:52:42 PM
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LEGO,

1) I did not prejudge right-wingers.
That was your wrong assumption.

2) What I did was simply describe the psychological
make-ups and mind-sets that certain people have.
Certain personality patterns.

3) You made the assumption that I was stereotyping you
and right-wingers. I wonder why that was?
Hmmmmmmm.

4) I tolerate a great deal. In life one has to
to be able to survive and cope. That does not mean that
I stand for nothing - on the contrary.

As for your references to the Titanic?
The Titanic hit the iceberg not because they could not
see it coming but because they could not change direction.

The essence of leadership is being able to see when
its time to change direction.

Australia needs that leadership.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 23 March 2019 1:36:06 PM
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To Foxy.

If you label an entire group of people with negative generalisations, you are stereotyping them with a negative prejudgement. It's just so funny how lefties insist that everybody must not engage in behaviour which is perfectly natural and which they do themselves, and then they can't recognise their own contradictions when they do it themselves.

Get it through your head that everybody on planet Earth stereotypes, prejudges, and labels, and is intolerant of somebody. You would be well advised to recognise the wisdom of my words and agree with what is just plain self evident, with good grace. Because if not, I am going to amuse myself pointing it out to you every time you drop a clanger.

My reference to the Titanic is in response to your gleeful remark that it is too late for Australia to doing anything about destroying our superior culture through immigration and cultural division. It is amusing to think that you actually think that destroying your own people's culture is somehow a good thing, and rejoice that it can't be stopped.

But your are right that Australia needs good leadership. A person who realises that freedom of speech is the foundation of democracy, for without that inalienable right, no free people can decide for themselves what is right or what is wrong. After the Christchurch massacre, we now have a legion of lefties trying to use that fact to shut up the critics of cultural division by labelling free speech as "hate speech." If you lefties destroy free speech in this country, my prediction is that this country will have taken a giant stride towards serious civil unrest and even civil war.

Aux barricades! Bogans of the world unite!
Posted by LEGO, Saturday, 23 March 2019 5:25:32 PM
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LEGO,

More corrections for you.

I did not label an entire group of people.
Only ones who displayed certain characteristics
mind-sets, and behaviours in their posts on this forum.

Yet you're the one who is labeling entire groups of
people that you refer to as "Lefties."
What exactly do you mean by that term? Anyone who's
views don't agree with yours?

Most people that I know have different stances on various
issues. Depending on the issues involved. A person can
be very conservative in some areas, and very broad-minded
and tolerant in others. It all depends on what's being
discussed.

You don't have to concern yourself about my dropping
"clangers." Keep an eye out for your own.
I don't drop " clangers." I pick them up.

As for my "gleeful" remark about
Australia - about destroying our "superior" culture through
immigration and cultural division?
That's not something I would ever say.
I am proud of our multicultural and diverse, vibrant and
rich society.

As for free speech versus hate speech?

Saying you don't like people of a certain race, religion,
cultural background - that's free speech. It's your right
and - That's okay. But there is a line that needs to be
drawn. And that is -
When you tell them they don't deserve to be here
and they're murderers, and you personally are going to
throw them out - that's hate speech that carries actual
risks and consequences - which is hate speech - and that's
not okay.

Hate speech is when speech actually leads to harm.
And that is never okay.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 23 March 2019 6:24:04 PM
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