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The dangers of values: Brenton Tarrant, Fraser Anning and the Christchurch shootings : Comments

By Binoy Kampmark, published 18/3/2019

Playing the values game is a dangerous one. What, exactly, are

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I do wonder when was the last time one of these young antifa eggers smashed an Islamic hate preacher over the head with an egg. They would lose their head rather than suffer a headlock

as far as how long Abbott or Trump will last who knows. Certainly6 both of them done much more good in short periods than others have done in decades.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 12:19:41 PM
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Waleed Aly put it so eloquently when he said
words to the effect:

"Everything we say to try to tear people apart,
divide people, demon ise particular groups,
set them against each other, that all has
consequences, even if we're not the ones
with our fingers on the trigger."

Both Trump and Abbott certainly have done a great
deal in the short space of time that they were/are in
public office - it willl take a very long time
for Abbott's party to recover. And for the US even
longer.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 12:57:46 PM
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yeah we know Foxy. You often use tactics like that of Jussie Smollett. No doubt you saw the MAGA hat on the eggers head. Just keep believing your own hatreds dressed up in some sort of warped narrative.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 1:44:05 PM
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Waleed Aly so elequently put?

Walleed Aly, my dear Foxy, is a member of a religion which instructs it's followers to "Fight the unbeleivers whom are near to you, lay ambushes for them, strike terror in their hearts." "Slay the idolators, wherever you find them."

It is a religion who's God instructs his followers to do to non believers, "cut off an arm or leg, from opposite sides of the body","cast their heads under their feet" and to "crucify them." "Take not Christians or Jews as your friends, would you give Allah proof against yourself?" "If you meet a Christian in the street, push them to the narrowest part of the way."

Waleed Ali's God even tells his followers to be ready to even people they are completely unaware of, "whom Allah knowest, but you knowest not."

Islam is a religion where they kill you if you try to leave it. It is a religion that thinks that Foxy is a possession of her husband or father.

But all Muslim Waleed Aly has to do is say a few nice platitudes, and since that is what Foxy want s to hear, she actually believes him, and thinks he is a nice man.

Hey Foxy. why don't you ask Waleed what should happen to homosexuals? He will say to you something like "Well Foxy, unfortunately, Allah has ordered that they all must be executed, so that's that."

Runner and Ozspen think that the universe was created in six days. And Foxy thinks that Muslims like Waled Aly are all nice people, who take no notice of their terrorism advocating God.

The problem is Islam itself. And kumbaya thinkers like Foxy, who think it is just wonderful that people who have been our self declared enemies for 1400 years should now live among us.
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 1:58:38 PM
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'Runner and Ozspen think that the universe was created in six days.'

Oh Lego I thought we had been through this before. You accept something from nothing, order from chaos, laws without a Lawmaker some 50000 oh no 1 million oh no 4 billion oh no 60 billion years ago. Any more frauds like pigs teeth for missing links? Has 60 billion years been revised yet. You really should give up on this one. The big bang and evolution are very irrational and accepted blindly just like man made gw. Stick to being rational instead of your pathetic digs. Your faith is far more irrational than that of Creationist.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 9:02:22 PM
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Good point that "The poisoned well of anxiety and resentment is a deep and broad one, common to Islamic State and the right wing fundamentalism". It applies well to terrorists of all stripes. They are no better than bitter poisonous snakes.

But your discussion of Australian 'values' and how they influence events is non-existent. You rely on tired left-wing tropes about Australia being founded on "expropriation, dispossession and racial fear." Even if it were true it explains nothing much.

So you suggest Tarrant and Anning are both "representative of the broader whole", and somehow emblematic of mainstream Australia? "How pleasant it is to assume that something else is at play, that Anning and Tarrant are the exceptional monsters in the playground." This would be grossly offensive if it were not so absurd.

You are framing these events in a highly selective and limited way like most commentators who are reacting from a set of preconceived notions. Yes, we must stand against the extremes of hate and terror. Yes, the agendas of violent racists and stupid redneck politicians are warped and deserve to be challenged. But it is counterproductive to ignore the reasomnable everyday concerns of people in society.

In fact, many everyday Australians are concerned about unplanned immigration from non-Western, mainly Islamic countries, that have problematic cultural baggage. They are not all suffering from 'bruised White ego'. Some are stupid and hateful people of course, but most are neither racist nor angry, and many are not even white for that matter. They have a right to be heard and not smeared with leftist waffle. You need to stop accusing and start listening
Posted by Jay Bee, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 12:18:11 AM
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