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The dangers of values: Brenton Tarrant, Fraser Anning and the Christchurch shootings : Comments

By Binoy Kampmark, published 18/3/2019

Playing the values game is a dangerous one. What, exactly, are

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Foxy,

I didn't ask you anything. "What are you going to do to make sure this never happens again?" is a quote from Abdel-Magied. She is a twit.
Posted by Jay Bee, Thursday, 21 March 2019 5:22:07 AM
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Jay Bee,

I think that Yasmin is more of a sunflower.
She loves facing the sun - but admittedly
she's got to go through dirt to get there.

LEGO,

So what's your answer to today's problems -
keep on doing what we're doing, and keep on
getting what we currently have?
That doesn't seem logical.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 21 March 2019 10:51:27 AM
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Well, to start with Foxy, you say you want to prevent tribal division? Could I remind you that it was the Left who invented identity politics? This consists of encouraging ethnics to celebrate their cultural differences, and then to appeal to the various ethnic voting blocks through government programs and cash. This is reinforced by both Labor and Liberal politicians always sucking up to ethnic voters while ignoring their own people. Then wondering why Australians have done a bit of identity politics themselves and given their loyalty to Pauline Hanson.

Another, is to always blame the misfortunes of every dysfunctional ethnic group in Australia on The Great Satan. White people. No matter what the problem, white people can always be blamed and defamed with a lot of fiddling with the facts. Look at the so called "stolen generation" lie.

So, if you want to prevent tribal division, I would stop being a lefty.

Now, as for solutions. My premise is, stop all Muslim immigration into Australia immediately. It probably won't stop the coming civil war, but it least might delay it a few more decades.

Think that is far fetched? Our suburbs are balkanising and it will only take some mullah to declare his suburb completely Muslim, and demand sharia law, and you will have a Kosovo situation. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Australia now has two flags. The Australian flag and a racist aboriginal one flying over public buildings. This by itself is a portent of dangerously deep social division in this country.

Only import people into this country who can contribute to the greater good. Simply importing masses of people from incompatible cultures, or from always dysfunctional ethnicities, will do nothing except raise our crime rates, bankrupt our social security systems, and destroy our social cohesion.

Good fences make good neighbours. With Islam, Our damned leaders should tell Muslims to reform their terrorism endorsing religion or wallow in poverty forever. The choice is theirs. Don't leave your dysfunctional countries for ours and expect us to bend to your backward ways.
Posted by LEGO, Thursday, 21 March 2019 4:50:09 PM
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LEGO,

I think that as long as we insist on the rule of law
and we make all of our citizens subscribe to an
institutional framework that preserves tolerance
and protects order - we can celebrate and enjoy diversity
in religion, language and culture. But we could not do that
without the framework which guarantees the freedom to enjoy
diversity.

To be an Australian citizen one pledges loyalty to Australia.
One pledges to share certain beliefs - democratic beliefs -
to respect the rights and liberty of others and to respect
and abide by the rule of law.

This citizenship pledge should be a big flashing warning
sign to those who want to live under sharia law. A person
who does not acknowledge the supremacy of civil law laid
down by democratic processes cannot truthfully take the
pledge of allegiance. As such they do not meet the
preconditions for citizenship. If you have strong
objections to these values - don't come to Australia.

This has to be made very clear. It is not optional.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 21 March 2019 5:46:19 PM
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Foxy, every state on planet Earth has a defining central culture, usually predicated upon the religion of the majority, but also upon the culture of the majority language group. Minorities can be tolerated provided that they are capable of a high degree of assimilation with the majority. Especially if the majority culture has values that tolerate minorities and the two cultures are not profoundly dissimilar.

The problem arises when minority cultures have cultural values diametrically opposed to that of the majority. But provided that they largely obey the law of the majority, even such minorities can be tolerated. But when a minority culture with opposing values increases it's population through immigration or birth rate differentials, then it is only a matter of time before the question arises as to who's culture will define the laws? As minority population proportion increases, hostility by the majority towards the growing minority will increase. Such a scenario is an absolute truth and is as immutable as the law of gravity.

Hostility towards the minority will be exacerbated if some within the minority engage in acts of violence and terrorism towards the majority. This can be mitigated if the leaders of the minority publically disassociate themselves from actions of their most violent members. But if the leaders of the minority refuse to condemn the troublemakers, then the state is headed towards serious civil strife, terrorism, and eventually, civil war.

Inter cultural and inter religious civil wars, my dear Foxy, are really bad wars. Massacres and genocide are committed by both sides. The only solution is for the minority to be either driven out or exterminated. Or, for the country to divide into separate countries, each with it's own defining culture. Which just goes to show that monoculturalism was the better option all along.

The problem starts all over again when the most successful culture creates a prosperous nation, and the unsuccessful culture turns their new nation into a cesspit. At that stage, the minority culture will then endeavour to immigrate into the lands of the successful culture, by crossing borders or jumping on boats.
Posted by LEGO, Friday, 22 March 2019 6:52:22 PM
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LEGO,

As a policy White Australia is gone. But as an
ideology it arguably lingers on. There
certainly is a minority who want to reclaim an
imagined idyllic Australia of yesteryear with its
white monoculture.

An overwhelming majority, however, agree
- multiculturalism is here to stay.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 22 March 2019 7:48:05 PM
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