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A Tasmanian Liberal conscience vote on transgender law reform will diffuse potential hate campaigns : Comments

By Rodney Croome, published 14/3/2019

A particularly nasty aspect of these rallies was how Liberal MPs sat in the front row applauding anti-gay speakers because the plan to decriminalise had been proposed by Labor and the Greens.

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Wikipedia detransition stories just removed.
Michael Berke (born 1964) lived as a woman and became famous for having switched back to being a male after his/her involvement with a mega church.[22]

Since 2011, Walt Heyer has written several books on his experience of regret and detransition.[23]

In June 2015, US-based Vocativ (then an online newspaper) profiled Joel Nowak. Nowak identified as a woman for ten years, including a legal change of name, hormone therapy, and surgery, before re-identifying as a man. Nowak described long feeling "closeted" and in denial about his doubts of transition. He described detransition as feeling "liberating", and he expressed hope for topics of gender to move beyond dogmatism.[24]

Zahra Cooper, 21, spent almost a year on testosterone treatment and had been living as a man for three years when she decided to go back the gender assigned to her at birth in April 2017.[26]

In September 2017, the Australian 60 Minutes television program featured a 12-year-old boy who had undergone hormone replacement therapy for two years before deciding to stop. Both he and his mother stated they did not regret transition, nor have they regretted detransition.[27]

Also in September 2017, British daily paper The Guardian published an interview with Elan Anthony of Ohio. Anthony lived as a transgender woman for two decades, including undertaking hormones and surgery, before detransitioning. He described a well-intentioned but misguided rush to transition from doctors and allies. In detransition, he lost friends, and he developed a renewed sense of shame. He has since pursued advocacy work for detransitioners, and he has begun work toward a doctorate in psychology.[28]

Max Robinson began transition at age 15, including hormones and surgery. Three years later, she began to detransition. She has since re-identified as a bisexual woman. She has now blamed her gender dysphoria on her anxiety and depression, and she has now believed her therapist overlooked "the possibility that her mental health problems, far from being symptomatic of gender dysphoria, could actually be the cause of it."[29]

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Posted by elizabeth4, Friday, 15 March 2019 3:09:38 AM
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Foxy, if you want to walk around with a teapot on your head, then do it. There is no law against that. But everybody in the population except for teapotters will think that you are nuts.

Now, you like "change" and perhaps you would like everybody walking around with teapots on their heads? Or at least change societal values so much that people walking around with teapots on their heads are "accepted".

Good luck with that. Because it just isn't going to happen. If you walk around like that, people are going to laugh at you and think that you have psychiatric problems. But if teapotters complain and demand that the Human Rights mob declare them an oppressed minority, and demand that the HR mob prosecute the rest of the population for thinking you lot are crazy, then all that is going to do is make the rest of the population very angry at teapotters.

Governments can not legislate what is right and wrong without recourse to public opinion. This is especially so if the values that the government is demanding the majority accept, are completely at odds with what the majority considers right.. The only way that the government can enforce these new moral values is through repression.

When the majority become the oppressed, you have the makings of a popular rebellion. That is why we have a democracy. If teapotters like yourself think that bizarre behaviour should always be considered normal then try and convince the public of that.

But you can't, and you know you can't. That is why teapotters like yourself support Human Rights organisations. Because the HREOC organisation is an unelected arm of government with authority. And it can always be stacked by teapotters who can then by pass the people's parliament. Democracy for teapotters is a real inconvenience to the sort of Brave New World they dream about but have never been able to acheive without firing squads and gulags
Posted by LEGO, Friday, 15 March 2019 4:11:34 AM
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Minorities have no special rights or special place in society. They may do whatever is legal in their private lives, if it doesn't impact on the rest of society; but in their day to day existence, they must comply with majority rules. The rest of us don't have to take any notice of them at all if we are not interested in them. They gain nothing by trying to advertise themselves all the time.

I like your 'teapot head' analogy, LEGO.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 15 March 2019 8:36:53 AM
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Dear Ttbn,

Your above statement regarding minorities is dangerous: please note that I am departing from the topic and not referring particularly to sexual-orientation minorities - I hope it never personally happens to you, but you too could one day find yourself in the minority on some issue or another that could be very important for yourself, perhaps even more important than your life. You might then scream in agony, but have the majority disregard, laugh and mock you, pointing at your own comment above.

Societies COULD have legitimately suppressed minorities in the way you suggest IF participation in those societies was voluntary/optional. The problem is, that as it stands this is not the case, thus what you get at the bottom line is that some arbitrary group of people oppresses others who never wanted or agreed to have anything to do with them. This is wrong, this is sheer violence, this certainly cannot be classified as "liberal".

Applying the above principle to the topic at hand, had people not been ordered to begin with, essentially at gun-point, to report the birth of their offspring to the state, then people would have no grounds to later complain that the state documents them inflexibly as "male" or "female": if you don't want your children harshly gender-classified, then simply never even inform the state that they were born, let them not become part of the surrounding society, end of story!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 15 March 2019 9:27:33 AM
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@LEGO, Thursday, 14 March 2019 6:16:50 PM

Don't be so harsh with Foxy, I have my suspicions she's a blonde.

@Alan B.,Thursday, 14 March 2019 10:39:45 AM

"FOOLS NEVER EVER LEARN!" - Strong truth. I recommend you take heed.

And as for the Rodney thread, I have no problems with trannies. The few I've met seemed like quite nice people. But I don't see any reason why they should be granted more or less privileges/rights than me or anybody else.

And last, off topic, one for the fellas, have a laugh, YouTube, just takes 30 seconds - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjFcEvTl1NQ

Disclaimer: I do not have any affiliations with Ultratune
Posted by voxUnius, Friday, 15 March 2019 9:54:29 AM
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I've been embracing change since a very young age.
During my journey in life change has been a constant.
I've lived in many countries, changed schools, had
different careers and even left a very good job to
do what made me truly satisfied and happy.

I've found that change has brought me personal growth.
I've learned new things with every change. I've
learned flexibility - change has made it easier for me
to adapt to new situations. I've been able to improve
things in my life as a result of change. I've learned
with change that over some tough periods I've become
stronger. In other words change has given me new
opportunities, new beginnings, new challenges.

But hey - those who prefer routine and inflexibility -
go for it. Personally I'd find the same old same old -
rather dull and boring.

As for wearing a teapot on my head? Funny that should be mentioned. I've got a very diverse collection of hats -
which I inter change regularly. I would love one crafted
as a tea-pot. So would the kids in my Story-time sessions.

Talking about change - take a look at the diversity of this
country. Change has made it the vibrant society that it is
today and the envy of the world. That's why so many people
want to come here.

Regarding law reforms as far as the Gay community is concerned?
These have been slow in happening but they have happened.
Change has occurred. I believe it was South Australia
that became the first state or territory to legalise sexual
conduct between males. Then in 1973 the Australian Medical
Association removed homosexuality from its list of
illnesses and disorders. Other states repealed their laws
between 1976 and the 1990s.

In Dec. 2017 the same-sex marriage ballot resulted in 61.6%
voting "Yes"in favour of legislation and The Marriage Act was
amended.

I've noticed so many posts here on "unsuccessful" stories
about transgender people. There should be a balance being
presented here so just to even up the score here's a link on
one such case:

http://www.smh.com.au/national/cate-mcgregor-on-leaving-malcolm-mcgregor-behind-and-becoming-a-woman-20140224-33d40.html
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 15 March 2019 10:41:20 AM
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