Timkins and others

See my post of September 22 re going to a male strip show and my views on some Womens' magazines.

Cheers
Kay

I'd have to keep saying that blokesworld is harmless fun,
and even offer that big al 30 and the big al 30 animal sanctuary
are a little off track suggesting that oral sex is not natural.
Its not exactly to my taste, but I'm not sure, I cant bend my neck that far.
Blokesworld is one of the cleanest shows on T.V. as evidenced by the amount of showering that takes place. It also promotes meaningful relationships with the segment "love burnout dedications" .
It is however, a shame its on so late (here in Cairns anyway).
The boys have touched a raw nerve, did big brother up late
churn up the same anxieties and repressed feelings?
please tell me it didnt, because it had so much less to offer.
The live show would be great, but I cant see it coming up here.

As for those wowsers saying "would you encourage your daughters" blah blah.....get a grip (or release your grip) on yourself. A better question would be "are you that shallow that you'd think less of your daughter if she chose to dance round in her undies?"

To the blokesworld crew, your on a winner. In the off season I suggest you make "chicksworld", but sorry, I wont watch it.

Swilkie, Why would you ban "Big Brother" but not "Blokesworld"?

Firstly I have to say I'm not looking for sympathy with this, I just feel i have to be honest about the effects of sexual violence towards women, men and children (i.e. anyone and everyone).

It's taken me about 18 years to get over my distrust and, I have to say, dislike of men since I had a number of experiences of sexual violence in my young-mid teens, all perpertrated by men.

I've come to realise that the people who did this stuff can't have had any respect for themselves and obviously had no respect towards females or children.

I have struggled with the anxiety-depression, self-harm, substance abuse etc. which is common among victims of violence (sexual and other). It severely compromised my ability to form a positive view of my own sexuality and obviously stuffed up my ability to form good relationships with men.

Seeing events like this make my heart sink, as I know the men I'm talking about had the attitude that "chicks are begging for it" - the attitude enshrined in this kind of stuff.

I really benefitted from reading Steve Biddulph's book 'Manhood' as it showed me that ultimately men suffer just as much as women from adopting negative, disrespectful attitudes towards women - because as i said earlier, hurting someone else hurts yourself and comes from your own lack of regard for yourself (often known as "your humanity").

I'm still dealing with my own sexism - i still find it hard to accept that all men are not the misogynistic moronic "type" that Blokesworld etc. appeals to.

I'd also like to add that i'm dismayed also by the junk in most women's magazines - i'm not trying to say man=bad, woman=good. Both sexes need to work towards more positive relationships (and ultimately all people regardless of gender, race, etc. must do the same thing). The unexamined life etc...

OTT: I know of men who watch blokesworld and aren't misogynists moronic "types". I'm glad you've overcome your distrust of men, but I fail to see the relationship between blokesworld (or porn) with violence against women. If you are a violent person, you're a violent person. If watching blokesworld brings out violent feelings in a man, it says more about that particular man than it does about blokesworld. The same applies to previous comments about child molesters and pornography. If you're prone that way, it doesn't mean the absence of porn will negate the child molesting tendencies.

Kalweb: Agreed that male strip shows can be pretty embarassing to watch (more the onlookers than the male dancers). Each to their own. Re the women's mags - teach your neices to respect their own bodies and other's, and it won't matter what they read

Dear OTT

Thanks for being so honest and courageous.

I read an interesting study (I think the link is on New Matilda issue 56 if you want to find it under links) that shows that in society's which are particularly violent and oppressive to women, men's lifespan is also much shorter than average. Its hypothesis is that violence is also dangerous to the perpetrators, as you have discovered in your healing process.

None-the-less, as I said in my original post, I still believe Blokesworld is more dangerous and insulting to men than it is to women.