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United Nations weaponizes Hamas as Trump, EU and Israel reel : Comments

By David Singer, published 13/12/2018

106 UN members had weaponized Hamas, abandoned the civilian population of a fellow member state and set a procedural precedent that the Islamic bloc will exploit again.

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//Again lack of support for Israel is not a good enough reason, when you actively support PLO and Hamas.//

Oh, do I support Hamas then? That's odd; I have no recollection of this. And you'd think it'd be something I'd remember. Maybe I'm just getting old.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 6:39:30 AM
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Dear Not_Now.Soon,

You wrote;

“Regarding your question on Israel targets, it's my understanding that since Israel is on all it's borders chanted with the same line to "destroy Israel," that as a consequence Israel is highly militarized in the population requiring to serve in the military for at least a few years. This understanding of a necessary arrangement for the well being of its citizens also make the targets of Israel essentially anyone and everyone who is Israeli. This includes uninformed targets and pregnant women. As well as anyone who is near a uniformed target. The point you have on soft targets essentially make all of Israeli citizens as fair game to kill. Not a point I agree with or will support.”

Can we rephrase this by switching sides and see if it still works.

“Regarding your question on Palestinian targets, it's my understanding that since Gaza is on all it's borders chanted with the same line to "mow the grass" that as a consequence Gaza is highly militarized in the population requiring to serve to defend Palestinian land. This understanding of a necessary arrangement for the well being of its citizens also make the targets of Gazans essentially anyone and everyone who is Palestinian. This includes uninformed targets and women and children. As well as anyone who is near a uniformed target. The point you have on soft targets essentially make all of Palestinian citizens as fair game to kill. Not a point I agree with or will support.”

“The target was the Gaza police chief. He survived the Israeli airstrike on a cousin’s home with critical injuries, but 18 family members were killed, including five children and teens.”
http://nationalpost.com/news/world/israel-middle-east/gaza-police-chief-survives-israeli-airstrike-on-family-home-but-bombs-kill-18-relatives-including-children

The rephrasing seems to fit perfectly,

So when you say “Not a point I agree with or will support.” are you prepared to be consistent or do you blindly deem one side 'terrorists' and the others 'defenders of their country' thus making such a statement impossible for you.

As to trusting Palestinian leaders no, but I have far less trust in Benjamin Netanyahu.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 10:55:31 AM
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Hey Not_Now.Soon,

"You gave a lot of information which I am considering. I'll have to get back to you later regarding it for a response, but I wanted to say thanks for providing it. "

You're welcome.

"As for Russia. That's not a focus I have for this conversation. I used Russia as an example of an aggressive state as opposed to a terrorist state. If that was a bad example then consider the point without that example."

Fair enough.
My point was simply this:
- Where's the Russian aggression? It's a myth -
But you'd have to spend some time with those links to catch up.

If I can leave you with anything, just consider that there's always more to the story.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 1:19:12 PM
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SR,

Your argument that uniformed Israel police and army units are legitimate targets. This would only be valid if there was a state of armed conflict. This would also legitimize the shooting of potential insurgents trying to infiltrate internationally recognized Israel.

Secondly there have been plenty of suicidal attacks on civilians inside Israel which also legitimizes lethal force in protecting the borders.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 2:06:57 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

Oh bollocks.

So by your definition the French partisans during WW2 were all terrorists because they targeted German army and police units in occupied France?

You wrote;

“This would also legitimize the shooting of potential insurgents trying to infiltrate internationally recognized Israel.”

I hope you aren't talking about the Right of Return marches. This is the Oxford definition of infiltrate “Enter or gain access to (an organization, place, etc.) surreptitiously and gradually, especially in order to acquire secret information.”

There is nothing 'surreptitious' about the protests on the border but for you to put this kind of slant on something like this is typical.

There is far more infiltration of Israeli forces across the border of Gaza than the other way around.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 4:39:38 PM
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Hey SteeleRedux,
- I thought your questions held merit, your logic perfectly valid and on target.
I'm not necessarily saying I support a free-for-all by Palestinians on Israeli Occupation Forces;
(I don't know the answers to the Israel / Palestine mess)

- I'm just saying your questions hold merit, and the argument deserves consideration.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 10:35:53 PM
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