This is what happens when homosexuals rule the Western world though media control.
Close down the ABC!

I know little about 'proud boys' however they obviously are not as violent and perverted as the antifa/greens/marxist. Maybe these left wing thugs and perverts have led to the uprising of 'proud boys' Maybe they are claiming back some balance from the so called 'pride' marches. If the abc hates you its likely you are a threat to their marxist/feminist/ transgender dogmas that they rub in the gullibles face day by day.

Jason writes " Note that Antifa are not described as 'far-left' but 'left-wing autonomous' and they do not 'promote political violence' but use 'direct action'. Like the Guardian, it is clear where Wikipedia's sympathies lie."

Jimmy Wales has been typing Wikipedia 37 hours a day since 1954 so he loses track sometimes. OLO can tell him to change "left-wing" to "far-left" and we can all relax and go home safely to Unca Donald.

//Problems with the Proud Boys//

Everyone who isn't a Proud Boy or an overreacting lefty thinks they're a bit of a joke, a bunch of posturing, immature clowns in desperate need of a decent barber. Sorry, I just can't take these tools seriously.

Mind you, I have had pause to wonder if they are actually an alt-right group at all, or just a clever a satire of one. They have an actual cock for their logo, for heaven's sake.... I reckon they're just winding us all up, and the media hasn't cottoned on yet.

That is correct, Runner.

The "Proud Boy" movement arose in direct opposition to the ANTIFA fascists who were smashing the statues of Confederate war dead memorials. The ANTIFA movement has grown exponentially in some university cities to the point of being the most fashionable thing you can do next to going to rave parties. There are a few YouTube films showing ANTIFA activists in cities like Portland standing in city intersections telling city motorists to go away, while police officers just look on. It is said in Portland that you can get away with anything if you just dress in black and wrap a checkered Shemargh around your face.

Sadly, the rise of two opposing groups ready to use violence is indicative of how divided western societies have become. It is also an object lesson that freedom of speech must be protected. Groups like ANTIFA, famous for shutting down university debates, must not be allowed to continue doing so. The alternative is that those people who oppose their ideas and who are denied a voice, will resort to violence to get themselves heard.

My last sentence is not a justification for violence. It is simply a statement of fact that violence will occur if people are not allowed to speak and reason. Democracy can only exist in the light of informed debate. It will die in the darkness of political censorship.

If the pro PC leftist retards keep pushing and want to start it, I'm not bothered at all if those people they continually badger and attack club them all to death like baby harp seals.

I'm sick of the soy sipping spastics.
They well deserve whatever they get.

And btw it's not really a 'leftist progressive agenda'.
They're just the useful idiots being used as tools for a globalist agenda.

How do you steal and control western nations?
Answer = Polital Correctness

AC, spot on , it's the plan for the election , code-word Club Labor.

Toni,

Proud boys, Antifa, two sides of the same coin, except that Antifa is more violent.

//Proud boys, Antifa, two sides of the same coin//

Nah, the Proud Boys aren't just a bunch of regular or garden variety political extremists. Their views are truly bizarre, to their point where I think either they must all be barking mad, or it's a big joke that some people haven't got.

"“The second degree is that you join our religion, NoWanks, and you get a beating until you can name five breakfast cereals,” McInnes explained. “And third degree is obviously still NoWanks, and a tattoo.” If anyone “taps out” or can’t name five cereals (?) they’re out of the running. Again, this sounds a lot like rushing for a fraternity, especially the part about how the Second Degree initiation “has to be filmed if Gavin McInnes or a Proud Boy rep is not present.”

But NoWanks, McInnes’s anti-masturbation campaign, goes a few steps farther, and it’s just one of the bizarre, yet completely serious invasive lifestyle directives that he’s espoused. Starting in 2015, he pledged to (pretty much) stop masturbating and started imploring other men to join him in relinquishing the habit of jerkin’ the dirty dog. As he explains in a video for Rebel Media, playing with oneself is “hurting our marriage and it’s draining our lifeforce.”

XD

How delightfully mental.

Being beaten until you can name five breakfast cereals? I mean, why breakfast cereals? And masturbation 'draining our lifeforce'? Does this guy think he's the reincarnation of John Harvey Kellogg or something?

Just to maintain some perspective, those "smashed statues of Confederate war dead memorials" were not historic relics from the Civil War but were deliberately erected as a provocative way of "giving the finger" to to Civil Rights Movement underway at the time.

Why anybody would want to defend a classified politically violent group of avowed White Supremacists is odd but then suggesting it provides some sort of social balance is also hypocritical.

The Confederate war memorials were erected after the first US civil war (the second war is coming up) by the "Daughters of the Confederacy" who were intensely proud of the fight the South put up. They were not the only ones. Winston Churchill called the US civil war "the last war between gentlemen." Northern soldiers always saluted defeated Southern forces by presenting arms at surrender ceremonies. In Washington, during the official ceremony celebrating the end of the war, Abraham Lincoln ordered the band to play as the first song, "Dixie".

The Confederate war memorials symbolize for the South their proud military heritage and their unique southern identity. One of Texas most revered historical museum artifacts is a civil war state battle flag with over 200 bullet holes in it. I suppose rache would like that burned too? It is just odd how many of the USA's most heroic soldiers and their leaders came from the South. Chesty Puller (four Navy Crosses) , Audie Murphy, Carl Nimitz, Dwight D. Eisenhower, "American Sniper" Chris Kyle, and so many more that space prevents me from adding their proud names. Even today, a noticeably disproportionate number of US armed forces personnel, black and white, hail from the South.

Unlike rache, I come from a poor but polite society where desecrating war memorials and graves is considered about as low as abducting women and children, and then raping them and murdering them. But rache is probably another poorly socialised millennial who thinks that nothing is sacred, and anything can be used to make your left wing political point. Although rache would be outraged if white people attacked revered symbols of any minority culture, white culture can be spat on with impunity. And then he wonders why the proud boys of the USA organise and retaliate?

I wholeheartedly agree with Tony Lavis that the culture of the Proud Boys is "truly bizarre."

Last I heard, the Proud Boys culture believes in murdering, beheading, and crucifying anybody who is not a Proud Boy. Proud Boys consider that females are so inferior to men that they should be considered minors. Women married to Proud Boys must supply sex on demand, and may not leave the house without their husbands permission. Proud Boy culture allows proud Boys to beat their wives, and even specifies the length of the rod which a Proud Boy may use to do it.

Proud Boys do not believe in democracy and believe that secular law should be subject to Proud Boy law. Proud boys believe that anybody who criticizes them should be murdered. Females from Proud Boy areas may not marry non Proud Boys. Proud Boys also believe that anyone who does not want to be a Proud Boy any longer should be murdered.

Proud Boys believe in genital mutilation, child brides, amputations for crime, gender discrimination, honour killings, and death sentences for adultery, homosexuality, apostasy, and blasphemy.

You are right, Tony, Proud Boys are dangerous, total wacko nut jobs. They have no place in western society.

A statue of a commander on horse is not a war grave. The sentiment is almost opposite . A tombstone never shoots an Afro but white cops who ride horses and army combat vehicles do . Often.

//I wholeheartedly agree with Tony Lavis//

Who?

Oh, That's right, Toni. I forgot I was dealing with a sterling example of the easily offended snowflake generation.

Don't worry, I will put your name on my OLO drop kick list, which is a list of those posters who are not worth engaging with or replying to. Won't bother with you again.

Your name will be my third on the list. Top of the list is insanenamenick.

The Confederate Statues debate dovetails with the trend to soften and sanitise the real history of the Civil War. The phony re-write argument that it was somehow only about "State Rights" is misleading and it was always really about their right (moral and economic) to own slaves.

While there were undoubtedly heroic and valiant incidents performed during the conflict that doesn't make the war itself worthy of glorification. Saddam Hussein may have "killed his own people" but so did Abraham Lincoln.

Members of right-wing extremist groups in Europe (and Germany in particular where displaying the swastika is forbidden) are using the Confederate flag to publicly identify their members because it represents White Supremacy and rebellion. To some it's a hate symbol and Swedish skinheads often have Confederate and Klan tattoos.

While discussing the quirks of The Proud Boys, other similar and more extreme local groups such as The Lads Society, United Patriots Front, National Action, True Blue Crew, Reclaim Australia and Antipodean Resistance continue to operate and recruit.

Tony Lavis. In a sea of intellectually challenged clowns, your comment had both the ring of truth and authenticity! Nicely spiced with a little all too rare humour!

One might even suggest these cock-ups seem to be heading for a sad dose of premature E.D.
Cheers Alan B.

The Confederate flag copied the Eureka flag of Victoria gold rush.
The Irish and Aboriginal rebels fought the Saxon master race .
Indigenous education officer at Sovereign Hill Richard McLean says there were Aboriginal people known as "native police" who guarded gold miners. Miners who lost gold were known as Stolen Generation.

//Don't worry, I will put your name on my OLO drop kick list, which is a list of those posters who are not worth engaging with or replying to. Won't bother with you again.

Your name will be my third on the list. Top of the list is insanenamenick.//

Oh sweet, hey nick, we can say whatever we like him about him now.

A little birdy told me LEGO worships Satan.

LEGO is rough but cute . Philip S is keen on you and I'm not talking to him anymore the brute, all yours.
LEGO's list wow...

To Mr Rache.

There is only one thing wrong with your analysis, one reason why the Confederate soldiers fought so well against the Yankees, was because they really did believe in their cause. The idea that they fought to keep southern slavery seems odd if you remember that the vast majority of Confederate soldiers just were poor farmers who did not own slaves. Slavery was not even in their interests, because the reason why plantation owners used slaves was obviously because they were cheaper than paying wages.

Therefore, the only reason I can discern as to why poor Confederate soldiers fought so well, that makes any sense to me, is they were fighting for their Constitutional right for their state to secede from the Union and to rule themselves. Divergent values between North and South was only encapsulated by the issue of slave ownership. Lincoln even said "If I can keep the Union together by freeing the slaves, I will do so. If I can keep the Union together by not freeing the slaves, I will do so."

White people all over Christendom are getting utterly fed up of ethnic immigration into their territories. European people are fed up of their out of touch politicians who wish to dilute the white race out of existence. No ethnic group wants to become a minority in their own homeland, and that just happens to be a cultural universal. I don't understand why you can't understand that.

White ethnic nationalists are the new counter culture, rebelling against a stupid and corrupt stats quo ante Establishment that is complicit in the destruction of their own civilization. And the reason they do it is either because they never grew out of their 60's Kumbaya values, or they do it as a virtue signaling fashion statement, or they cunningly see unwanted immigrants as a new, easy to bribe with western welfare, voting block that will keep them in the perks of power forever.

"PROUD BOYS FOUNDER GAVIN MCINNES BLOCKED FROM ENTERING AUSTRALIA"

See New York Post [associated with news.com.au] November 30, 2018, http://nypost.com/2018/11/30/gavin-mcinnes-blocked-from-entering-australia/

"The founder of alt-right hate group the Proud Boys has been blocked from entering Australia — a month after members of his outfit were busted for brawling outside one of his appearances in Manhattan, according to new reports.

[The Australian Government] denied Gavin McInnes’ visa application to go on a speaking tour Down Under because he was judged to be of bad character, the ABC reported Friday.

“Good,” McInnes told news.com.au after news of the visa rejection broke.

“Getting screamed at by a bunch of delusional SJWs isn’t exactly the best environment for comedy. I find it interesting that the media found out before our lawyers did. Fake news truly trumps the justice system in Australia – and in America for that matter.”

McInnes, a Canadian national who lives in Westchester, had been scheduled to visit the country with far-right British activist Tommy Robinson in December for “The Deplorables” tour.

A local petition calling on the government to block McInnes’ visa on character grounds had garnered 81,000 signatures as of Thursday.

He “disassociated” himself with the Proud Boys last week, a day after a news report revealed the FBI had dubbed his “Western chauvinist” group an “an extremist group with ties to white nationalism.” Both the Proud Boys and McInnes have vehemently denied any association with white nationalism or the alt-right.

At least seven Proud Boys members are facing charges over an Oct. 12 beatdown of three antifa members who were protesting a speech McInnes gave at the Metropolitan Republican Club in Manhattan that night."

"Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes denied visa to tour Australia with 'The Deplorables'"

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-30/proud-boys-founder-gavin-mcinnes-denied-visa-to-australia/10573134

Hey rache,
"The Confederate Statues debate dovetails with the trend to soften and sanitise the real history of the Civil War."

It's not a trend, it's an agenda.

Whilst the Civil War was fought over slaves, what people don't really understand is that then, (like today) there was a deliberate effort to force the people to become divided against each other.

The Civil War was deliberately started, and slaves was the issue used to do it.
The socialists didn't want the Constitution amended in a way that simply solved the 'slaves' issue, they wanted the entire destruction of the constitution itself.

You can find more info about the Civil War on the 'John Birch Society Channel' on YouTube, and I suggest you do.
Here's some of their topic specific videos:
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheJohnBirchSociety/search?query=civil+war

Then, just to make sure you know which side supported what, watch this one:
The Inconvenient Truth About the Democratic Party
http://youtu.be/g_a7dQXilCo

And if that's not enough and you want even more specific details,
watch Dinesh D'Souza's "Hillary's America: The Secret History of the Democratic Party (2016)"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5646136/

As for everyone else, I just want to make this note:
If you do not go to the source of the correct information and learn the truth of things, you will remain dumb.
Because that's exactly what they want.

How many of you have actually followed and watched Gavin McInnes over the last few years?
How many of you actually knew who he was before 'Proud Boys' came to your attention?

- I didn't even know what Proud Boys was until I saw this article, but I've been watching clips of Gavin McInnes here and there for years.

He's not that bad, and honestly if you don't like him - don't bloody go.
What the hells's wrong with this country?

Stupid 'useful idiot' left, and their paid Soros operatives leading us down the path to destruction.

With PC they're more or less doing the same thing they did then, and creating conditions for Civil Wars in every western nation, deliberately.

For the elite, wars are good, they don't fight in them.

The Lib and National cotton farms are recruiting white trash slaves to march on the Melbourne docks in a bid to finish the destruction of the constitution . When Abbotts' one-man band dictatorship was destroyed by guerilla Turnbull , the Dutton-Morrison Bible belt bashed the constitution senseless . The ABC is its last hold-out and is slipping fast.

This article appears more balanced than Jason Beale's last one. Kudos.