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Greens discrimination bill has unintended consequences : Comments

By Glenn Ward, published 26/11/2018

The Greens' Discrimination Free Schools Bill constrains religious freedom by removing exemptions that extend well beyond religious schools.

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Dear Not_Now.Soon,

It is a legitimate form of self-defence to try to stop terrorism or crime: here the concern should never be "for the welfare of the child" or "for creating the society I want", but rather "for the protection of myself, my family, my friends and those who sought my protection" - that's the only legitimate reason.

We see it too often, however, that a regime declares anything it doesn't like or which challenges its power as "terrorist" or "criminal".

As for "tools to make it in the world", the danger is that the regime wants people to fit IN ITS OWN VISION OF THE WORLD and uses "education" as a means to forward this vision. Now schools ought to teach children to fit in the world, but which version of the world would it be? If parents feel that the world as it stands is an evil or unwholesome place, then they should, in defence of their children, be able to withdraw from their schooling such skills that would allow their children to integrate. They would still be teaching reading, writing and math, but perhaps in different language(s) to avoid exposure to evil.

Obviously nobody should ask government to finance teachings that go against its own ethos: once you beg for tax-payer money then, you lost your freedom and no longer have a base to demand it.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 9:00:35 PM
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Good news Glenn and Not_Now.Soon

Part of the Australia's ABC article today https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-27/gay-student-gets-standing-ovation-after-coming-out-at-school/10560048

[specially read the last sentence below]

A student at a Catholic boys school got a standing ovation when he came out as gay during a speech at assembly.

Mr Stannard told 7.30 he was overwhelmed to receive a standing ovation from his peers.

Mr Stannard said the love and support of his family and boyfriend helped give him the courage to make the speech.

His mother was the first person he came out to.

"I said, 'Mum, I think I might be gay'. While she was definitely surprised she was by no means overwhelmed. She gave me the biggest hug and she kissed me and said she loved me," he said.

"That was when I knew I'd be fine in everything that came my way. I always knew I had a supportive family."

His parents were at first worried about his plan to come out in front of the entire student body.

"Not everyone can be kind about a young man taking on his identity and being proud of who he is," Meaghan Stannard said.

Mr Stannard says everyone at school has been "so supportive".

"They were so supportive. The school has been amazing. They've supported me the entire way," he said.

Next year Mr Stannard will start a teaching degree at university. And he will be following the public debate over the right of religious schools to hire and fire teachers on the basis of their sexual orientation.

"People should be hired for the job if they're the best for job. Sexuality has nothing to do with that. It's all about how they can help students learn and get the abilities to be themselves," he said."
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 9:25:31 PM
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Dear Plantagenet,

Indeed, "People should be hired for the job if they're the best for job. Sexuality has nothing to do with that".

Indeed, sexuality is not important, yet your Meaghan Stannard thinks otherwise - she considers it to be no less than one's "identity", as well as something to be proud of. How foolish to think of one's sexuality as who one is, how foolish to be proud of an attribute of your body which you probably never even consciously chose!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 2:31:20 PM
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I am who I am, I neither feel the need to be proud of who I am nor seek the approval of others because of who I am.
So if being a queer is so normal, then why would you feel relief or surprise when anyone shows you more pity than pride for what you are, and not who you are.
We are humans and as such we are of many types and sizes, but, one thing we are is all of a particular structure, as it is demonstrated at birth, when you are given the once over to see if all is 'normal'.
If something is not 'normal', the system begins a rigorous regime of tests and checks and balances to determine what is wrong with you (as a recently born baby) and 'how' much is wrong.
A queer is the result of abnormalities, to do with, amongst other things, the mind.
Given that most cases are redeemable, I find it arrogant and selfish in the extreme that we are forced,(through peer pressure and virtue shaming) to accept what is clearly, un-acceptable.
Like most human psychological and emotional dis-orders today, they are treatable and if they cannot be cured then I would suggest the person should be pitied just as someone with cancer who tried to get cured but failed.
It's the ones who seem almost proud of the fact they are broken, and almost thrive on the attention and notoriety that comes with being a queer.
Apparently today, 'it's cool to be queer'.
No it's not, and the sooner people stop facilitating these sicko's, the sooner we can throw PC in the bin and get on with our lives without having to tip-toe around them as if walking on egg shells.
Posted by ALTRAV, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 11:32:43 PM
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Just to clarify, ALTRAV speaks for himself/herself, not for me. Just because I mentioned that one should not identify with their sexuality, does not imply that there is anything wrong with their sexuality.

We are NOT humans, we only mistakenly identify ourself with a human, for the time-being. One implication is that whatever impurities our human body and/or mind have, are not OUR impurities and whatever strengths they have are not our strengths either - nothing to be ashamed of, nothing to be proud of either.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 11:48:40 PM
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Yuyutsu, WTF, what are you on about.
Don't attempt to explain what I am saying, as it appears you have not fully grasped my views, read it again, and this time without emotion.
Rather than suggesting I was agreeing with your stance, I was in fact making my own point, as I do not always agree with everyone on everything.
A major problem with all this queer stuff today, is an unwillingness to confront an awkward and uncomfortable issue, head on.
We are seeing more people submit to things they would have once stood firmly against.
Whether it is a loss of courage or just laziness, it is easier to go along with those who are obviously over invested in some cause or another, than to stand and challenge them in disagreement.
It is discrimination to force a particular belief upon someone who clearly does not concur with that belief.
So the greens and all the other irrelevant parties and people, can go and get stuffed.
If some sick moron wants to call me names, I don't care, as long as I get my point out, because by doing so is going to hurt those same sick morons who so desperately want their beliefs upheld, so they get their way and the majority can go and get stuffed, according to them.
A great portion of the blame must go to the do-gooders,for pushing this dangerous agenda.
They may think they are well meaning, but in fact they are being quite irresponsible and as a result causing long term harm and damage to otherwise, sick and unstable people and their friends and family
Posted by ALTRAV, Thursday, 29 November 2018 1:45:19 AM
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