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The disgruntled former prime minister : Comments

By Binoy Kampmark, published 16/11/2018

Attempting to maximise the effect of his deposition, Turnbull began a campaign of ennobling self-effacement and cleansing.

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Graham,what I would like to remind certain people of the historical fact that 'the general public' is NOT informed or educated enough to influence the making of laws at a federal level, (or any level for that matter).
I would one day, like to see, that the pollies will go back to being mature, in charge, adults, and not the 'YES MEN' we have today.
Look at the public and the level of maturity, common sense and reason.
These people are incapable of making well informed decisions.
They are self serving and puerile.
As much as I have NO respect or time for any of the major parties, their actions and decisions, as of some years now only confirms my disgust for them and their real lack of leadership.
As the politicians come from the 'people', I believe I've made my point.
Posted by ALTRAV, Saturday, 17 November 2018 7:48:40 PM
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As for broken promises? Why only mention those of Labor?
Foxy,
That kind of argument serves nothing because Governments of either persuasion can not govern fully as long as an opposition can sabotage for the sake of political sabotage.
How many times do we here "if we can get this past the senate". So, sabotaging a new policy & then crying broken promise is as silly as the system itself.
Labor always get the upper hand at sabotage & mismanagement as they're finely tuned in hypocrisy. LNP though of late have been giving the ALP a pretty good run for their money in matters of un-reason but considering that the public service is some 90% ALP it is not surprising that any Coalition Govt has serious difficulty in governing for the whole Nation whereas Labor can always forge ahead full steam in ruining this Nation's economic prospects.
Morrison needs a massive dose of pragmatism & once the deadwood are gone he'll have a good chance of governing well prividing the australian people can muster the integrity & patience needed.
Posted by individual, Monday, 19 November 2018 5:36:11 AM
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Foxy,

GY has got you there, you are as rusted on and one-eyed leftie as I have ever seen, the history of the SSM debate has seen firm and fast opposition from both Labor and the coalition incl Juliar, Penny Wong, Tanya Plibersek, etc. However, it was the Coalition that finally delivered the SSM after Labor's failure to do. And it was the Labor that first proposed a national vote.

Secondly, While Juliar essentially broke every election promise she made, her Lie in which she guaranteed that any government she led would not implement a carbon tax and then wantonly abandoned it within days is one of the most outrageous lies in Aus history and the one she will be remembered for forever. That her popularity plummeted and Labor never recovered after this shows that the public did not stomach her feeble excuses.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 19 November 2018 8:25:21 AM
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Individual,

Both sides of politics make mistakes, break promises,
and when in opposition - they - "oppose"
(the title gives it away) or if you will - hold
the government to account. My earlier comments were
merely meant to provide a balance because only one side
was being tounted for its broken promises. It needed
acknowledgement that both sides were just as guilty.
As for who's the better economic manager - that's up
to each of us as voters to form our own opinions on
that. Party policies are a significant factor in who
voters choose to vote for, as is the leader of a party.
Hence the upset for so many people to have the
previous PM dumped.

What happens next - we shall have to wait and see.
The Victorian elections coming up on Saturday will give
us a good indication as to where voters are leaning.
But as I've stated so many times on this forum -
predicting anything in politics is a risky business
at the best of times. A couple of things though need
mentioning - a united team with a long term plan
for the country, for a fairer Australia, would be a
good idea. Leaders need to remember that they are
members of a political team, not individuals mobilising
and running in and of themselves.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 19 November 2018 8:27:21 AM
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SM,

You obviously did not get anything out of my previous post and
list of the broken promises that the Coalition also made
during their time in office. I shall not continue to argue with
you.
We are so far apart in our thinking - that it is pointless to
continue.

Have a nice day.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 19 November 2018 8:35:54 AM
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cont'd ...

BTW: Calling me a "rusted on, one-eyed Leftie,"
is not accurate. I know who I am. You don't.
And, my presenting your consistent one-sided arguments
with additional facts and attempting to create a more
balanced outlook - simply because those
facts upset your political leanings does not make
them to be true. It is a pity that we are unable to
concede even minor points in our discussions.
I shall fight the urges to respond to you in the
future.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 19 November 2018 8:46:56 AM
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