I believe Dan is right, that we are indeed fallen angels and as such capable of great and heroic deeds and great evil if we surrender to the seduction of power and greed.

And here to win back our original places in heaven where ever that be. Personally, I believe it is some sort of reunification with a larger whole that is one unified field of energy, but still many individual conscious self-aware personalities. Experiencing unbelievable all consuming euphoria and overwhelming pure love.

Heaven, therefore, is probably not a place, but rather a state of being? Its opposite is a place of eternal darkness where total all-consuming, unimaginable, unbelievable, terror imposes its all-consuming and terrifying will as it consumes our immortal souls? And far-far worse than being buried alive.

Our finest hours have been when we were in conflict with pure evil personified, i.e., Mr Hitler and various counterparts that have emerged since the dawn of time, that would enslave and predate on other humans unless resisted by our finer selves.

Moreover, saw the best side of humanity, our better angels and their most evil counterpart. those who manned the death camps and committed atrocities many can't believe were true because the depravity was so all-consuming and evil.

Even as Herr Goebbels and co turned up at their church each Sunday morning and sang Christian hymns and recited Christian prayers from a Christian prayer book.

Without question, they were hypocrites pure and simple as are those who protect, forgive and succour paedophilia and paedophiles.

And like an evil disease predate on the poor and downtrodden as they turn them into conditioned robots, without the will to say no, this isn't right!

But instead, quote chapter and verse to justify any position however awful, inherently evil, depraved indefensible or untenable?

SUGGESTED READING, historically correct and essentially ACCURATE if dramatized, Pillars of the earth.
Alan B.

Any then there's Clericalism that puts Church institutional perpetuation ahead of questions of Good or Evil.

In a justly pejorative sense "clericalism" denotes ecclesiolatry, ie.
excessive devotion to the institutional aspects of an organized

religion, usually over and against the religion's own beliefs or faith.

This means that all issues, even those that may be beyond the religion's jurisdiction, must be addressed by either clergy or their supporters.

"Clericalism" is also used to describe the cronyism and cloistered political environs of hierarchical religions,

usually Christian denominational hierarchy, and mainly in reference to the Roman Catholic Church.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clericalism
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BTW: Celibacy has little to do with woman being the centers of original sin.

Celibacy is the Church's strategy of securing all of a priest's money and possessions without competition

from a priests children who would have had a just claim to inherit his money and possessions.

Batman may need Robin, but an all-powerful, all-knowing God should have no need of Jesus or anybody else.

david f

'but an all-powerful, all-knowing God should have no need of Jesus or anybody else.'

no God doesn't but someone as corrupt as yourself does.

Dear runner,

You keep accusing me of being corrupt and having other bad qualities. I guess it's because I do not believe in your superstition. However, you have a right to believe in nonsense, and I support your right to remain gullible. I support your right to be wrong and think you're probably a good person who is mired in superstition. You are not alone.

Adam and Eve in the Garden of Indestructible Light

http://www.beezone.com/adidajesus/adamnervoussystemeveflesh.html

Section 4 of this essay also refers to Adam & Eve in the Garden, and the subsequent universal Scapegoat drama

http://www.beezone.com/AdiDa/Aletheon/there_is_a_way.html

This essay summarizes the situation we are now in

http://www.beezone.com/AdiDa/Aletheon/ontranscendingtheinsubordinatemind.html