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Religious schools and discrimination : Comments

By Kuranda Seyit, published 23/10/2018

However, the call by Sheikh Taj Aldin Hilali, a Sydney based cleric, that independent Islamic schools should not allow homosexual teachers to work in their schools has opened up a can of worms.

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Dear Not_Now.Soon,

«It's something that students are going to have to face into their lives.»

If school and parents are good, then hopefully students will never have to face that. Otherwise, what do you think for example about schools that prepare children for life in jail or teach Braille (to children who are not blind or becoming blind)? The best schools should prepare for the top, not for the bottom.

«so they are safer and with less STDs»

No sex - no STDs! Religious schools should teach children to be celibate.

«teach about healthy and unhealthy relationships»

Sure, but why about sexual relationships?

All that the pupils need to be taught around sexuality is, in a biology class, that human bodies have reproductive organs that are a vestige from the times when procreation was appropriate. Nowadays when the world is overcrowded, those organs should not be used. Further, using those organs and obsessing about their functions wastes precious energy (physical, emotional and mental) that should instead be directed towards what is really important in life - God.

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Dear Dan,

«Yours is a view for an idealised world.»

Yes, children should be taught the highest ideals.

«schools should be equiped with the basics of boys and girls toilets.»

That might convey the wrong message as if the difference between boys and girls is of any importance. It is best not to fuss about those minor physical differences.

Well if you live in an unfortunate society that already fusses about sex, then you need separate toilets, but ideally a religious school would shield its children from the negative influences of modern society.

«disassociate queer children from the mainstream»

You should of course be legally allowed to establish such rules in your school, but I wouldn't consider it wise to make special rules on the grounds of sexual/gender orientation. Anyone who makes an issue about sex or about being specifically a boy or a girl, has a problem that might be contagious. Religious schools should teach cildren not to identify with their bodies, how less so with their sexual organs and differences.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 11:14:19 AM
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To Yuyutsu. Schools should teach so to prepare the students for the world. That world includes the giant obstacle of sex and relationships in general. Hormones alone make the topic worth approaching so that kids can avoid terrible situtions. Or at least help reduce the risk if and when they do ignore their parents and teachers and have sex.

Some might think that kids finding out about sex on their own is a right of passage. Something they did and turned out ok, so it's a fine approach for their kids. For anyone else who want a better life for their kids then finding out the hard way what the parent already learned the hard way, they see the benifit of teaching their kids. Whether taught by parents or teachers sex is a topic worth talking about.

For instance one thing I would like to be taught is the issue of being in a relationship trying to rescue or save the other person. That that is an unhealthy relationship and not something to build romance out of. Continuing that lesson, should be taught is what to do if they date someone who says they will kill themselves or threaten suicide if the other person breaks up with them. Teach what I later found out counted as signs of emotional abuse, so kids don't get in that unhealthy relationship and believe their commitment to the other person is love shared, and that love and commitment will be returned.

Several other lessons would include how bad drugs make a situation, from health issues to human sex trafficking. Dangers of predators who might drug a drink to an victim and rape her, and why it's important for girls to be careful, and go out with friends. As well as the big topic of diseases.

Even religious schools need to talk about these topics to prepare and warn the kids for the world they are in. Because that's the responsible and practical approach.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 6:20:46 PM
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Jayb,

"where are the big Placard waving Demonstrations from the people that support the moslims who are Gay. Ha ha ha ha ha. I like to see that. ;-)"

You might be surprised, but I have it on tenuous authority that a mass protest is being planned for sometime in the next year or two, and that it will take place in public.
The site of the protest will be kept secret but is believed to be somewhere in the far corners of the Royal National Park, within a long walk of the nearest railway station.
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 28 October 2018 10:54:52 AM
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Is Mise: You might be surprised, but I have it on tenuous authority that a mass protest is being planned for sometime in the next year or two, and that it will take place in public.

What? The Do Gooders/Lefties/Greenies.Maxist & Commos are going to demonstrate against the moslim stance on Gays. I'd like to see that.
Posted by Jayb, Sunday, 28 October 2018 2:06:12 PM
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Jayb,

They'll do it, the only problem is finding somewhere safe; somewhere where the Moslems can't see them.
I heard that TV rights are being discussed but a stumbling block is that the organizers want all faces blurred out, naturally, the TV mob are objecting to this as full coverage would ensure retaliation and a rise in ratings.
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 28 October 2018 3:59:30 PM
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Is Mise,

Did you also hear the news about the massive gathering
in Parliament and the Great Hall of Parliament -
that happened recently where our Prime Minister
(and the Opposition Leader)
offered a National Apology to the victims of sexual
abuse. The PM spoke in Parliament as
did the Opposition Leader - and then the activities moved
to the Great Hall. Julia Gillard was there as well - and she
got a standing ovation.

Now that would have been something worth attending - and
later discussing.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 29 October 2018 9:21:49 AM
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