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Religious schools and discrimination : Comments

By Kuranda Seyit, published 23/10/2018

However, the call by Sheikh Taj Aldin Hilali, a Sydney based cleric, that independent Islamic schools should not allow homosexual teachers to work in their schools has opened up a can of worms.

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Yuyutsu..

You say....This should apply equally to ALL sexual desires, regardless of orientation.

In the same vein, no, not at all. So you contend by that statement, any misfit kid that wakes in the morning and wants to go through the day dressed as a transgender student, using the girls toilets is ok? Not in my world it isn't.

And the school should retain the right and autonomy according to its charter, to educate children in a protected environment, free from intimidation. This circumstance is intimidating towards normal children.
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 9:28:54 PM
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Dear Dan,

Using the toilet is not a sexual activity.

We seem to be mixing two completely different issues: legal and spiritual.

From the legal aspect, I believe that you are already familiar with my views: the word "school" should not even appear in legislation, there should be no state-run schools, parents should be able to send their children to any kind of school or school-like institution as they see fit, with any set of rules they agree on and even the issue of protection, whether and against what should the school protect, should be at the parents' absolute discretion.

But there is a big difference between a legal school and a good school, so the spiritual aspect is quite different:

The most important role of a religious school is to prepare children on their path to God. For this, a good school should develop the child's faculties: a sharp intellect, a loving heart, ingenious choice-making and a robust will-power. Indulging in sexual activities weakens the above.

If a teacher talks with the pupils about sex, then s/he betrays the school's aims and should be dismissed. If a pupil fusses about sex, then that's a bad influence which distracts the rest of the class: the principal should instruct the child to set aside such issues and concentrate on their studies instead. If the student persists, then s/he should be removed.

As for toilets, this can only create problems in a sexualised environment, but as sex should not be an issue or even mentioned in a religious school, any child should be able to use any toilet, it's no big deal!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 12:51:25 AM
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I said this in the last topic about schools and homosexuality. But I'll say it again here.

If a school is doing it's job well by teaching the next generation at least a minimum standard of subjects. (Having them literate in math, reading and writing); and as long as the school is not some hotbed for producing terrorists, criminals, or gangs; nor are they a danger to the students or teachers themselves; then the government should leave it alone on how it conducts itself with hiring teachers and staff, as well as expelling students. The school is doing it's job.

There are probably exceptions to this rule, but as a general rule, I would say it's a good standard.

Regarding Muslim schools, the task after that shouldn't be about their not supporting homosexual rights or homosexual employment. The focus on them should be on if they are safe schools. And not teaching lessons to hate the culture and the country that they currently live in. Essentially to making sure a school isn't killing, raping, or otherwise harming it's students and staff. Nor letting schools last if a high number of students come out of it and are in gangs, or terrorist groups. These two issue should be the issues focused on for Muslim schools because these are the rising dangers reported in countries with a high Muslim immigration and refugee rescue demographics.

The government should have the authority and responsibility to shut down schools that are dangerous or not doing their jobs by teaching well.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 2:07:10 AM
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Last thing to add. In my opinion, the only schools that should have a rule about banning homosexuality among it's staff, should be religous schools that show a devotion to most of their principles. So the ones that fire teachers who commit adultery are really the only ones who should say they can follow the standard to fire homosexuals. Personally I don't know of any schools that fire anyone based on how well they stayed true to their marriages. So I don't think they are justified to fire or not hire homosexual teachers just on their homosexuality alone. If they teach the students that homosexuality is ok, and the religion that school is suppose to teach from doesn't, then that might be the exception. Those rules wouldn't be legal mandates though, just privite a standard of my own.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 2:33:37 AM
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To Yuyutsu.

In my opinion, the topic of sex should be discussed in schools. It's something that students are going to have to face into their lives. If for no other reason discussing it so they are safer and with less STDs is enough reason to keep the topic available to schools.

I would like them to also teach about healthy and unhealthy relationships at the same time though also. As part of the same class. Might help students from getting into horrible relationships that leave them with no other option except abortion, instead of just teaching kids how to have sex "safely."
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 2:41:19 AM
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Yuyutsu

Yours is a view for an idealised world. From sheer practical circumstances of day to day life, schools should be equiped with the basics of boys and girls toilets.

If a child is unable to conform inside those basic requirement of “norms”, then, (as you suggested), they need to be accommodated in special schools which are designed with the necessary infrastructure, and staffed with appropriate staff members, capable of dealing with foibles associated with queer children.

In short, disassociate queer children from the mainstream, firstly for their own good, but just as importantly, for the general welfare of mainstream children.
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 7:27:33 AM
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