It really doesn't matter how many times you pedal this crap David.
Some people just don't believe there's any moral right to build a country wherever you want and attempt to kill or drive off all the existing people living there.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/245869

You scream victimhood from the Nazi's but really your lots no better.
http://youtu.be/e8icC2BA_O8
You actually have a lot in common with the Nazi's, only the people in the Warsaw Ghetto and Auchwitz etc. were probably treated better than those who've lived in Gaza for generations?

The turn of world events isn't going in favour of the so-called Palestinians and its only going to get worse for them. Iran is in abject retreat from Syria and its economy is already suffering under Trump's sanctions. Growing objections within Iran to the regime's overseas adventurism may force a total retreat.

At the same time, Saudi's fear of Iran is pushing it into the willing arms of Israel such that its previous support for the 'Palestinians' is no longer automatic. Ditto Egypt. Turkey is their new hope but I doubt that'll pan out either.

They, the Palestinians will rue the day they decided to reject Oslo. And it couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch.

I wondered when Dave would reappear,what happened did the truth put you off or did you have to wait for instructions from your paymasters in Israel
What a load of bunk you put out on here, Israel is a fascist state who learned well from Adolf,the PM is a crook,the Army are as bad as the SS but dear old Dave will defend anything they do
Your creditably is shot Dave just like the Palestinian protesters

The first mutterings of Zionism that I can find date from 1802/3. The first written, as in book form, from 1862.
“The intellectual ideals which made possible the transition from integrationism to the Zionist revolution were articulated by a number Jewish thinkers in the second half of the 19th century. Moses Hess (1812 – 75), like Hegel before him, argued that history was a dialectal process and that the world was entering an age of maturity and reconciliation.
In his book ‘Rome and Jerusalem’ (1682) he argued that nationlism was a natural historical growth . . .”
“Leon Pinsker (1821– 91 argued in ‘Auto-Emancipation’ (1882) that anti-semitism was not a temporary phenomenon but an ‘inherited aberration of the human mind’ . . .”
— From Adel Safty’s ‘Might over Right’, How the Zionists Took Over Palestine’.
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Theodor Herzl (1860– 1904) talked up Zionism, the need for a homeland and began teaching a reconstructed ‘Modern Hebrew’, which where it existed did so in religious teaching and in worship. (Today Zionists tend to claim that Hebrew had never died out but was much used amongst the widely dispersed Jews) As fanciful as most claims made by the Zionists.

All this of course dispels the nonsense that the colonising of Palestine had anything to do with the holocaust as the early European Jews began arriving in 1890.

Britain, desperate for support/allies in WWI promised both the Jews and the Arabs/Palestinians a homeland and self-rule in return for their support. The Balfour Declaration in 1917 in which GB made noises promising the Jews a homeland in Palestine was in all respects illegal.

Palestine was not theirs to give, they had no rights under international law and the Palestinians, obviously, had rights ahead of anybody else, British and Jews included.

The Brits armed and trained the Zionists, encouraged them to set up low level government structures while preventing the Palestinians from doing anything similar.

The Brits cheated, lied, murdered and betrayed the Palestinians while building up the Zionists/Jews.

For a concise, documented account of ongoing betrayal of the Palestinians, I recommend Adel Safty’s ‘Might over Right’, How the Zionists Took Over Palestine. It is without any shadow of doubt the best account that I have read in the past seventeen years.

There is never a need to waste too much time with Israelite supremacists. According to Singer -

.....................There were no "Israelis" or "Palestinians" 95 years ago when the preamble to the Mandate for Palestine declared: ….................

All you have to do is quote article seven of said mandate back at them.

…...The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine..…..

Only an Israelite supremacist could say Palestinians did not exist when it's there in black and white in a document that they use time and time again to justify the existence of a country whose borders at no time in history incorporated Jerusalem. It clearly states that Jews were to become Palestinian, nowhere does it mention that Palestine is to become either Israel or Judea.

In that same preamble that Singer loves to quote, like all other Israelite supremacists, he overlooks -

…......it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine.....

I think a reasonable person might say that denying the overwhelming majority the right to self-determination is a clear case of prejudice.

If Israel can't have it's war against the Palestinians, then it will bring that war to us, this I believe is part of the reason they've always supported loosening nations immigration laws.
'By deception thou shall do war'

You scream victimhood from the Nazi's but really your lots no better.
Armchair Critic,
When I was a kid back in Europe I frequently overheard the old ex soldiers commenting on the viciousness of jewish background Nazi SS officers.

#Armchair Critic

Your well known Jew-hatred is exposed once again. Thanks for re-confirming it with your latest comments.

#mhaze

A thoughtful comment. Rejecting Oslo is just another in the long line of missed opportunities of successive Palestinian Arab leaderships that begun in 1917.

#John Ryan

If this was a dating site, I would suggest you meet #Armchair Critic. You would make a wonderful couple.

#petere

You have obviously overlooked or chosen to ignore the preamble to the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine unanimously adopted by all 51 member States which declared:

"Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country"

Palestine was not colonised. The League of Nations gave its unanimous approval to the Jews "reconstituting" their national home in the place from where they had been defeated and expelled 2000 years before.

#unravel

What you fail to appreciate is that the term "Palestinians" was first invented in the 1964 PLO Charter and excludes Jews. You yourself quote the 1922 Mandate which only spoke of the "non-Jewish communities" in Palestine. Palestine at that time comprised Moslems, Jews and Christians - no identifiable group called "Palestinians".

The Palestinian Arabs achieved self-determination in 1946 when 78% of Mandatory Palestine then called Transjordan became a sovereign independent State.

You have clearly been taken in by swallowing easily proven false Arab and UN propaganda.

#individual

Perhaps a ménage à trois with #Armchair Critic and #John Ryan might be attractive to you.

Rubbish! Jews have hundreds of homelands where they live as equals not overlords. Australia is one of them. Israel is not.

You really are a pathetic time-wasting Israelite supremacist Singer.

….....“The Palestinian Citizenship Order in Council, 1925 was a law of Mandatory Palestine that created a Palestinian citizenship for residents of the territory of the Palestinian Mandate, except for those resident in Transjordan. It was announced on 24 July 1925 and came into force on 1 August 1925. The Order remained in effect until 14 May 1948, when the British withdrew from the Mandate, and Palestinian citizenship came to an end.”......

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Citizenship_Order,_1925

The mandate for Transjordan was tacked onto the mandate for Palestine for convenience sake. Borders had already been set for Transjordan in 1919, the first stages of autonomy began in 1926; they were patrolling their borders with the British in 1927. Palestinian passports were shown when crossing those borders.

The only one spreading propaganda is you.

Fact. Transjordan independent 1946.

Fact. Britain walks away from mandate in 1948.

Fact. The Palestinians still outnumbered the Israelite supremacists, still owned more land than the Israelite supremacists.

Fact. Those Palestinians were not granted self-determination. They did not tear down the borders in 1946 to become Transjordanians. They did not run up Transjordanian flags across Palestine demanding union with Transjordan.

They had endured the British and the French reneging on the Anglo-French Declaration of 1919. They had revolted against the de facto colonisation of their land in 1936. They kept the peace for nine years after the enactment of the 1939 White Paper which enshrined a democratic settlement. A settlement that was acknowledged by the newly independent Arab states with the signing of the Alexandria Protocol in 1944.

Fact. They were denied self-determination.

#Julian

Setting up a ménage à quatre for you with #Armchair Critic, #individual and #John Ryan could be rewarding. You all indeed have a lot in common.

#unravel

1. Ad hominem attacks against myself by use of the term "Israelite supremacist" clearly signal you have no substantive arguments.

2. The Palestinian Citizenship Order in Council was indeed passed in 1925 after Transjordan had been closed in 1922 to Jews settling there. The Order in Council - as it clearly states as you yourself have quoted - confirmed that Jews could not obtain citizenship in 78% of the territory of the Mandate called Transjordan - which was to be reserved for granting citizenship to Palestine's non-Jewish communities only.

3. There was only one Mandate - the Mandate for Palestine - which Britain administered from 1920 until 1948. 78% of the Mandate was granted independence by Great Britain in 1946. You talk of the "Mandate for Transjordan". Produce the document to support your claim.

4. Substantiate your claims that "The mandate for Transjordan was tacked onto the mandate for Palestine for convenience sake. Borders had already been set for Transjordan in 1919"

5. You allege those Arabs living in Palestine west of the Jordan River were not granted self-determination. They were offered self-determination in 1947 by the United Nations Partition Plan but they rejected that offer.

6. Those Arabs living in the areas of Western Palestine occupied by Transjordan in the 1948 war known as Judea and Samaria - actually resolved to unite with Transjordan in 1950 when a new territorial entity was formed and named "Jordan".

7. Your use of pejorative terms such as "de facto colonisation" is the product of Arab propaganda that apparently has been accepted by you unquestioningly as the gospel truth. How can the Mandate for Palestine unanimously approved by all 51 States of the League of Nations justifying the legal right of the Jewish people to reconstitute the Jewish National Home in Palestine be possibly called "de facto colonisation"?

Please withdraw your ad hominem attack on me and apologise for your action in having done so

Both David Singer and Emperor Julian are guilty of objectifying and reducing the Israeli people to "Jews".

Whatever the political circumstances in the early 20th century, nearly all the citizens of Israel, of all religions, were born thereafter and the rest were still children at the time.

Jews were historically considered as weak punching bags, but Israelis are none like it - Israel is their home and only home, they are independent and very good at defending themselves.

Let the aspirations of neither foreign Jews who live outside Israel, nor so-called "Palestinians" be taken seriously: Israel is there to stay and will emerge free of both.

But should the Jews and "Palestinians" wish to fight their anachronistic wars, then there's the West Bank: let Israel withdraw and allow them to fight each other there to their heart content!

The day Israel comes up against a trained, armed, opposition, Israel is toast.

Cannot come soon enough!

//You have clearly been taken in by swallowing easily proven false Arab and UN propaganda.//

//Your use of pejorative terms such as "de facto colonisation" is the product of Arab propaganda//

Wow, you've really go it in for Arabs don't you?

Just so all we're all clear, when you talk about Arabs you're talking about guys like Xavier in the following video, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo77sTGpngQ&t=598s

#petere

Thanks for showing your true colours in wanting to see the destruction of the State of Israel. If this is how you see the Arab-Jewish conflict being resolved any further dialogue between us is pointless.

#Toni

Thanks for the posting the last three minutes of a 12 minute video accompanied by this comment:
"Just so all we're all clear, when you talk about Arabs you're talking about guys like Xavier in the following video, right?"

My answer: "Right".

I have answered your question - now my question for you to answer:

Why did you fail to disclose that our telegenic, propaganda-spewing Xavier is an official in the Palestine Liberation Organisation - that charming organisation that still declares in its Charter:
1. " Palestine is the homeland of the Arab Palestinian people; it is an indivisible part of the Arab homeland, and the Palestinian people are an integral part of the Arab nation."

2. "The Balfour Declaration, the Mandate for Palestine, and everything that has been based upon them, are deemed null and void. Claims of historical or religious ties of Jews with Palestine are incompatible with the facts of history and the true conception of what constitutes statehood. Judaism, being a religion, is not an independent nationality. Nor do Jews constitute a single nation with an identity of its own; they are citizens of the states to which they belong."

3. "The Arab Palestinian people, expressing themselves by the armed Palestinian revolution, reject all solutions which are substitutes for the total liberation of Palestine and reject all proposals aiming at the liquidation of the Palestinian problem, or its internationalization."

Answer my question please - why did you fail to tell us Xavier is an official in the PLO?

//why did you fail to tell us Xavier is an official in the PLO?//

Um... because it's explicitly stated in the video I linked to? Seems rather redundant, doesn't it?

#Toni

Not good enough Toni. This is the stuff Arab propaganda is all about - - and you know it.

You deliberately failed to mention Xavier was a PLO official in your comment - creating the false impression he was some kind of Mr Nice Guy.

Dissembling in this fashion is both dishonest and appalling.

No one can stop the PLO propagandising all it wants to and no one can stop you being a willing tool in spreading their declared Jew-hatred as expressed in the PLO Charter.

Just be honest about it and acknowledege that you support Xavier in seeking the destruction of the State of Israel and that you are prepared to spread false information and propaganda to see this happen.

That being your declared solution to the Arab-Jewish conflict - there is nothing further to discuss.

Wallow in your Jew-hatred.