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The dying in Syria rest on the conscience of the West : Comments

By Alon Ben-Meir, published 1/5/2018

eclaring mission accomplished in the context of the continuing unfolding tragedy being inflicted on the Syrian people is cynical and disheartening at best.

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Lots of must do's here Alon. And all good if Donald actually gives aa rats for Syria? Let the man, the most powerful Commander in Chief in the world be judged by history by his actions, not his rhetoric. The Americans are war-weary and have sacrificed enough young lives fighting other folk's wars. If they intervene now it has to be with a tactical nuclear weapon and delivered by a cruise missile through Assad's bedroom window and while he' at home and his brother visiting. Then let the Russians, the Turks and the Iranians scream and shout, threaten all manner of terrible repercussions to which they should receive a similar dose of similarly aimed and targeted medicine. And with that let Armageddon begin! Because this is what you are asking for and will come one day soon. Preferably when we are properly prepared, forewarned and forearmed! Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 1 May 2018 1:07:30 PM
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So the left whingers pillory Bush for invading Iraq, but now want the US to invade Syria and potentially start a conflict with Russia and Iran?

There is stupid and then.....
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 3:10:55 PM
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The Middle East plus all Islamic countries are a hopeless case.
They will never recover their sanity.
They are genetically programmed to act as they have for centuries.
All we can really do is isolate them from the rest of the world and
return all those that left, forcibly if necessarily.

They will either learn to live with each other or kill each other off.
The "West" has spent enough money and lives trying to manage their
wars, tribal and religious, that it is now time to say get stuffed,
we do not want to know, just stay there and do not come near us.

I am sure some diplomat can soften that up and get them to accept it.
After all don't give them an alternative.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 5:01:11 PM
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what a mess.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 5:11:48 PM
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We obviously need to send Alon Ben-Meir to Syria, alone to sort it out.

He obviously knows all about the middle east
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 6:32:11 PM
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Can anybody figure out the logic of liberals and social justice warriors?

Thank you Shadow Minister for your perspicacity. Saddam Hussein can start two very bad wars of imperial aggression in which a million people died, and he can drop poised gas on Kurdish villagers. But if the yanks invade (liberate?) his people from his murderous kleptocracy, then to the "progressives" the Americans are war mongering fascists. But when Assad drops poisoned gas on his own people, the very same liberals who denounced US intervention in Iraq, now clammor for the Americans to intervene in Syria.

I get the impression that the images of choking children got the SJW's fired up into their favourite state of outrage and self righteous apoplexy. They want to stand up on a soap box, and there, among a chorus of singing angels, virtue signal to their hearts content. Don't worry about thinking through the issues, when good and evil can be so openly displayed in living colour on your wide screen TV.

The rule of thumb used by social justice warriors when judging USA is, no matter what the USA does, it is always wrong. And they are so ferking virtuous and enlightened for pointing that out.

Cuckoo. Cuckoo.

For my part, I think that what president Trump did was absolutely correct. Poisoned gas and nerve gas is completely banned by international agreement, and it must remain that way. If any regime (they are never democracies) uses poisoned gas, especially on civilians, then I could not care less who bombs them. I just hope that somebody does. The Chinese or the Russians could bomb them. The Iranians could bomb them. Whoever they are who are bombing the baddies, I would support them as fighting for civilisation.

Civilised people only slaughter our enemies in civilised ways.
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 6:42:10 PM
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The dying in Syria,rests, on the conscience of the warring Arab tribes, And Isis.

Assad is very much supported by the Allawarte tribe, in Syria. It is the Sunni Arab tribes that stormed Damascus that started the conflict.

I heard one of the so called Moderate Sunni rebels say on the news that it wasnt Isis they were interested in defeating, like America was, they wanted America to attack only Assad.
Seems blood is thicker than water among the Arab Sunni tribes, whether they be Isis
or so called moderate Sunni rebels.

Why doesnt Ben Meir, jump into uniform and put his own life on the line to stop the tribes killing each other. He doesnt mind putting American kids lives on the line.
Posted by CHERFUL, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 8:50:24 PM
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Those who have been keeping an eye on news and views about Syria from sources other than what western powers want believed via the western mainstream media that peddles a lot of misinformation on behalf of banksters, corporations, the military industrial complex and the Israel lobby realise the situation is vastly different to what many people in the west have been misled into accepting.

For a start, the supposed chemical attack by Syrian forces on their own people was quickly recognised by many cynics as a "false flag" atrocity from the start. Staged by the "White Helmets", a propaganda unit operating in terrorist controlled areas which was set up by MI6 and funded by western governments. Is NOT a genuine Syrian civil defence organisation.

The Syrian Arab Army of the legitimate Government, with support from Russia, Iran and Hezbellah has been progressively removing foreign supported terrorists from its territory. The latter in East Ghouta, Damascus were desperate for more support recently before their quicker than expected defeat. Apparently eleven British officers advising them were captured earlier and are now in high security jails around Syria. It seems half a dozen US SAS commando types were killed in a failed attempt to rescue more foreign military personnel. Their deaths being "officially" explained as due to some event in Northern Syria.

One of the agendas of the missile strike ordered by Trump and British and French leaders (all without authorisation of their parliaments!) was to help possibility of rescue of their covert operatives. Turned out was too late after rapid progress by Syrian Army. Trump also would have been under strong pressure from neocons and the Israel lobby in the US to "do something" to try and stop terrorists they had sponsored to try and achieve "regime change" in Syria being routed.
Posted by mox, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 9:33:37 PM
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Quote: Even though it is difficult for Trump to comprehend that Muslims are not inherently violent, if not outright terrorists, the US cannot relinquish its moral obligation and behave like a pariah state.

Oh? I thought that Quran 9:111 stated that Muslims were put on earth to "kill and be killed". I guess the author thinks that killing is not really related to violence.

The fact is that Syria is hopeless. Nothing can be done that will improve the lives of those retched people because the players that seek to dominate that country (Turkey, Russia, Iraque, ISIS, US, the West, anybody and everybody)care only about power and keeping others from gaining power. When you take a stick and mess with (OLO said to remove the profanity here), you get more (more profanity).

And why the West? Is it that Western culture requires a conscience, but not those of other countries and cultures? It seems that Islamic nations are exempt from any responsibility for the mess that they have made. Taking refugees only spreads the problem around, bring the problems created by Islamic nations to the West.

I repeat, Syria is hopeless.
Posted by kactuz, Wednesday, 2 May 2018 1:48:49 AM
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What total garbage
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 2 May 2018 9:05:29 AM
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There will be no peace in the middle east until the last Arab has died.

Why the hell would we want to stop them removing the stain on the planet their stupidity generates where ever their kind exist?
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 2 May 2018 11:31:00 AM
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Well, there you go, Alon-ben Meir. You are condemning the western powers for doing nothing about genocide on Syria. But according to "Mox", the west is involved right up to their necks, and right there in the thick of it already. Could you lefties please get your stories straight before you come on OLO with your ridiculous virtue signalling and bizarre conspiracy theories?

Mox, are you really a colonel in the KGB? I though you KGB boys were better at propaganda than that? Perhaps you should get Directorate 5 (the wet job boys) to liquidate Alon ben Meir for stuffing up your credibility?
Posted by LEGO, Thursday, 3 May 2018 7:14:33 AM
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Dear oh dear, Mox says 11 British and was it 9 US soldiers involved.
What a massive invasion !

Saw the Middle East off and ban travel to or from there.
Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 3 May 2018 9:55:02 AM
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To Lego especially: The sort of name calling you have directed at me indicates you, like many people have been brainwashed into accepting what you have been told by the Western mainstream media. At times this includes misinformation and propaganda peddled on behalf of interests that control it. Those who regularly check "alternative" news sites know that on news on some matters and views expressed about them may be considerably different. Then sometimes when they are, to impartial observers material from them may be much more credible than some from the Western MSM.

We have seen many instances of "how "powers that be" in the west try to have alternative news sites discredited and silenced. Including the BBC (Brutish BS-ing Corporation) and the US mainstream broadcasters do not like losing audience to www.rt.com ie Russia Today, which has offices in US and UK.

Could give a long list of alternative news sites I have watched to varying degrees. Are more I haven't. However,as with mainstream news, they often post material acknowledged as coming from other sources which can then be checked. Regarding issues such as misbehaviour on behalf of US interests in the Middle East, among the most scathing information originates from journalists who are US citizens exposing it. Including a few experienced ones who have been operating for a long type eg Some from Seymour Hersh who in 1968 first exposed the My Lai massacre in Vietnam.

For a start, alternative views on a range of newsworthy topics can be checked on www.globalresearch.ca. From it a lot of links to other news sites can also be obtained. Of course, as for mainstream news, I sometimes would question or dispute material posted on them. Worth mentioning some particularly to watch regarding regular updates on Syrian situation. www.sana.sy/en from Syria. www.en.farsnews.com from Iran has detailed daily updates of the war and www.almasdarnews.com from Lebanon has lots of short news items updated through the day. Also check www.russiainsider.com and www.fortruss.com. www.syrianperspective.com updated every few days by a US based lawyer gives some very interesting stuff on Syria
Posted by mox, Thursday, 3 May 2018 10:56:00 AM
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http://syria.liveuamap.com
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 3 May 2018 4:43:13 PM
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To Mr Mox.

Right wing (read patriotic) racists like myself have a very poor opinion of the mainstream media, because it is much more a reflection of socialist propaganda than an institution controlled by bankers, industrialists, and the military industrial complex. With a few exceptions (Fox News and The Australian newspaper), I have little but contempt for the mainstream media. So, claiming that I form my opinions based upon the information provided by the mainstream media is a charge more worthy of hilarity than serious consideration.

The "legitimate" Syrian government of Bashar Assad equates to an entire government run by something resembling the Mafia, the KGB, or the narcotrafficantes. It has no legitimacy whatsoever outside of it's ability to terrorise it's own population into submission on behalf of it's hereditary King Assad and his courtiers. Why you want to be an apologist for this loathsome monarchy is a question that only you can answer. Since when did leftists support monarchies? I suspect that you are an agent for King Assad, and it is you who is peddling disinformation.

The USA, which is the finest country on Earth, Australia's ally, and the world's policeman, has declared that the Assad regime used poisoned gas on civilians. And the UK and France, two more of the worlds best and most respected countries, agreed with the USA and supported this attack. You are asking me to choose between three of the world's finest countries and your little conspiracy theory, and it is no contest.

I noticed that you made no mention of the previous poisoned gas attack which was even condemned by the leftist Obama administration, probably because you knew it was true. Now you are asking us to believe that the Assad regime is not responsible for this latest outrage. That is a big ask. Most people would conclude that if the SOB did it once, he would do it again. And despite the fact that the world's democracies are sick and tired of intervening in the affairs of dysfunctional states, most people, even western leftists, applaud what Trump did.
Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 6 May 2018 6:56:16 AM
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