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Trump promotes Jordan, downgrades PLO and defunds UNRWA : Comments
By David Singer, published 28/2/2018Tillerson stated that America’s ongoing contribution to UNRWA is dependent upon what other non-donor States who can afford to contribute to UNRWA are willing to do.
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Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 28 February 2018 9:44:28 AM
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All that I have seen and heard from president Trump thus far is very productive. At some time there has to be a ‘reset’ to the approach. The de funding of anti American /Isreali organisations (perticularly within the UN) are an exellent step forward. The physical movement of the US embassy to Jarusalem is merely an implementation of previous US presidential policies.
Increased and ongoing financial Support for Jordan is a most positive step, as is the actual implementation of Jordanian supervision/control (although I deem it unnecessary because Isreali control guarantees the autonomy/respect and protection of ALL ‘holy sites’ in Jarusalem). I would like to see these sites (including the west wall) guarded by armed Jordanian police, funded by the UN, diverting existing UNHCR monies to do so. Upgraded communication/transport infrastructure between Isreal and Jordan to facilitate trade. Perhaps it has required an ‘unpredictable’, even a ‘crazy/angry’ US president to break this deadlock. The immediate overnight bombing of airports from whicuh chemical weapons were deployed in Syria is the ‘crazy/brave’ move that Trump illustrates ‘red lines’ are not to be crossed is an example of compelling Iran, Hamas, PLO and others to re-think their actions. I enjoy and learn from your accurate and legal essays here David, but find great difficulty in reading most ‘comments’. were they to address the content of the particular essay I could perhaps stomach some of the invective that accompanies it. Continue Gunga Din. Posted by Prompete, Thursday, 1 March 2018 8:50:30 AM
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#Prompete
Most of the comments to my articles as you have so succinctly noted have nothing to do with the content of my articles. They are just posted to denigrate and delegitimise the Jewish State in overt displays of Jew-hatred that are quite frankly shocking and disgusting. They are posted by people who have been brainwashed and fed false facts which they have swallowed hook,line and sinker as I have had to repeatedly point out and correct. Can't wait to see them rush into print parroting Abbas and Erekat in calling the Palestinian Arabs the "Canaanites" and Palestine "Canaan". What Abbas did at the UN is deserving of a new song sung to "We are the champions" "We are the losers, my friends, And we'll keep on fighting 'til the end. We are the losers. We are the losers. No time for champions 'Cause we are the losers of the world." 100 years of Arab rejection of a Jewish homeland in the Jews' ancient biblical and historical lands covering an area one-third the size of Tasmania - just 0.1% of the total area of the land of the conquered Ottoman Empire - whilst the remaining 99.99% was handed over by the Principal Allied Powers to exclusive Arab control - has never been enough. The Arabs want that tiny 0.1% as well. Abbas and his PLO mates tripping off to the UN and the delights of New York and also gadabouting to welcoming honour guards in European capitals seems destined to see the people they represent consigned to misery for generations to come. It surely is time they were given the dignity of free elections and the opportunity to have a say in their own destiny. Don't count on the UN to even make this happen. What a farce. Posted by david singer, Thursday, 1 March 2018 10:12:25 PM
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//"We are the losers, my friends,
And we'll keep on fighting 'til the end. We are the losers. We are the losers. No time for champions 'Cause we are the losers of the world."// Well that's a crap song. And it's lyrics are clearly intended to fan the flames of bigotry and division. Why would anybody think that is a good idea? Do they imagine some good comes out of all the bloodshed? Here is a better song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6qA-4PWdsg Posted by Toni Lavis, Friday, 2 March 2018 6:08:21 AM
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It was about time that governments stopped lining Hamas's pockets.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Saturday, 3 March 2018 5:38:31 PM
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Dear Prompete,
«I enjoy and learn from your accurate and legal essays here David, but find great difficulty in reading most ‘comments’.» Israel was created by the courage, ingenuity, perseverance, blood, sweat and tears of its people. Singer denigrates Israel and its people by claiming that Israel was born as a result of legal discussions in the chambers of one of the most idiotic and harmful organisations, the United Nations (and its predecessor, the League of Nations): Israel would have been created, thrived and prospered regardless of any such talking - by the ACTIONS of its people. Now Singer further insults Israel by claiming that it belongs to the Jewish people - rather than to the people who built it and fought for it. What does he base it on? The United Nations of course and its legalistic mechanisms. Yes, the people of Israel happen to be Jewish, most of them, and the character of the state of Israel is Jewish to some extent, which is wonderful, but that doesn't render the land to belong to some arbitrary "Jewish people", including Australian Jews who wave their pens while seating safely on their couches in Australia - certainly not to Singer's own megalomaniac Jewish sect which seeks to ever expand "their" Israel beyond its borders, at the Israelis' expense. Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 4 March 2018 9:59:54 PM
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#Yuyutsu
FACT 1: The Jewish people's right to reconstitute the Jewish National Home in Palestine was undertaken with the approval of all 51 member states of the League of Nations in 1922 who unanimously endorsed the Mandate for Palestine: Albania, Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, British India, Bulgaria, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, El Salvador, Estonia, Finland, France, Greece, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Italy, Japan, Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes, Latvia, Liberia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Persia, Peru, Poland, Portugal, Republic of China, Romania, Siam, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Union of South Africa, United Kingdom, Uruguay, and Venezuela. FACT 2: Article 80 of the United Nations Charter preserved the rights vested in the Jewish people under the Mandate for Palestine. FACT 3: The right of Jews to "close settlement" in Judea and Samaria (West Bank), Gaza and East Jerusalem was granted under Article 6 of the Mandate FACT 4: The Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO) - established in 1964 - has refused to accept the Balfour Declaration, the League of Nations decision and everything that followed it considering them to be "fraud". In 1968 the PLO amended its position to claim that such actions were "deemed null and void" FACT 5: The PLO never had any territorial claims on the West Bank and Gaza in 1964 - as article 24 of the PLO Charter expressly declared. Their belated claim after Jordan and Egypt lost these areas to Israel in 1967 indicates the spuriousness and speciousness of their current claims. #Yuyutsu: Do you agree with all of the above 5 Facts? If not - point out the inaccuracies. Concentrating on the facts - and not arrant deceptive PLO propaganda - can help you reach a far better understanding of the Jewish-Arab conflict. Personal attacks on me are a waste of time and just show how desperate you are in seeking to delegitimise and denigrate the right of the Jewish people to their own independent State in their ancestral, biblical and legal internationally-recognized homeland. Shooting the messenger can never erase the above 5 Facts. Posted by david singer, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 11:04:12 AM
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Yuyutsu. Your point regarding
“Israel was created by the courage, ingenuity, perseverance, blood, sweat and tears of its people” is well taken and I agree with you. My statement regarding a disparagement with many of the ‘comments’ in Davids essays, was possibly too broadly stated and for any offence I may have caused you ‘personally’ I would withdraw. To identify individual comments, and their authors, would be too cumberson. However, your peronal ‘feelings’ are beyond my control. As a polite person it is not my intent to denigrate individuals. Further, I agree with your comment regarding the efficacy of both the ‘league of Nations’ and the ‘united Nations’. So; in the main, we are in agreement. What I enjoy, or prefer in these essays is the presentation of information specifically dealing with the prevailing legal mechanisms available at the time, mechanisms that form the legal framework that supports those very individuals you are refering to. It is not David who claims Isreal as belonging to ‘the Jewish people’, it is the Isreali parliament that makes that claim. I find it refreshing when complex issues are discussed without subjective labels, offended ‘feelings’ and racist/antisemitic ‘rants’ (in my opinion) being used to counter fact based information. Posted by Prompete, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 12:08:32 PM
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Dear David,
«#Yuyutsu: Do you agree with all of the above 5 Facts?» YES. However, I do not agree that they hold any importance or relevance. «how desperate you are in seeking to delegitimise and denigrate the right of the Jewish people to their own independent State in their ancestral, biblical and legal internationally-recognized homeland.» Desperate or otherwise, the Jewish people (if indeed there is such uniform body today that can agree on anything), other than those citizens of Israel who happen to be Jewish, have no right to take over or control the state of Israel - this is regardless of what either the bible or some stupid international organisations, say. (now please refrain from using "ancestral": that brings you into a mine-field since the majority of the so-called "Palestinians" are also from the same ancestry) --- Dear Prompete, Thank you for your kind remarks. I was not offended by you at any stage. «It is not David who claims Isreal as belonging to ‘the Jewish people’, it is the Isreali parliament that makes that claim.» Also, and I consider it their mistake. To the best of my knowledge, rhetorics like this were historically used for propaganda (by raising both memories of the holocaust and fundamentalist-Christian sentiments), lip-service if you like, where in fact no Israeli parliamentarian (including Ben-Gurion who started this tradition) actually believed this to be true. Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 1:31:59 PM
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#Yuyutsu
You agree with my 5 FACTS but do not agree that they hold any importance or relevance. That is obviously where we part company. We are talking at cross-purposes whilst this stalemate applies. They are fundamental facts that in my opinion must be first agreed on by both Jews and Arabs if there is to be any hope of peacefully resolving a conflict which has raged for 100 years. Posted by david singer, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 3:06:16 PM
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Dear David,
Air India has just announced that it will begin regular flights directly from New Delhi to Tel Aviv. This was made possible because Saudi Arabia agreed to have those flights over its territory. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-air-india-israel-saudi/air-india-says-gets-saudis-nod-to-fly-from-new-delhi-to-tel-aviv-over-saudi-airspace-idUSKCN1GJ24X So you see, Israelis and Arabs are getting closer in the face of the real common enemy - Iran: it's mutual interests that do the talking. The so-called "Palestinians" and their territories are insignificant, they can't do a thing, the rest of the Arabs don't really care about them and soon they will be forgotten. However vocal they may be, the so-called "Palestinians" have no significant military capabilities, so no peace agreement with them is necessary and Israel can easily afford to abandon them to their own gloom in their own cursed territories. Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 9 March 2018 6:03:44 AM
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However, if you don't like wait a couple of weeks to se how well it plays? And if unpopular enough see how adroitly this bloke an wriggle out from under his decisions/track record?
Some days I swear, Donald has no idea what half baked scheme or decision Donald is going to "fire" off next?
Alan B.