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Philosophical arguments about religion at Christmas : Comments

By Tristan Ewins, published 22/12/2017

In the light of the Royal Commission into Child Sexual Abuse some people are claiming a general redundancy of Christianity, or even religion in general.

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Christmas isn't even a Christian holiday... There is no evidence that Jesus was born on the 25th December whatsoever so why do Christians celebrate Jesus supposed birthday on the birthday of Pagan and other Gods?...lmao

There are heaps of Catholics and other believers in the ALP so poor ttbc is doing exactly what he claims others do...

The pot calling the kettle black is always a good sign of a lack of intellect and character...lol ttbn seems over qualified in these area...lol

Happy Christmas, Horusmas, Mithramas, Krishnamas, Attismas, Dionysusmas or whatever other being you choose to worship ttbn...lmao :)

Oh look....

Jesus : Israel 2000 years ago, Celebrated birth (see below) 25th December, virgin birth,Star in the East, 12 disciples, Performed miracles,Dead for 3 days then resurrected, Teacher at 12, Baptized age 30.

Horus : Egypt 3000BC Born 25th December, virgin birth, Star in the East, Adorned 3 kings, 12 disciples, baptized age 30, Teacher at 12.

Mithra : Persia 1200BC Born 25th December, virgin birth, Performed miracles, Dead for 3 days then resurrected.

Krishna : India 900BC Virgin birth, Star in the East, Performed miracles, resurrected.

Attis : Greece 1200BC Born 25th December, virgin birth, Crucified dead 3 days then resurrected.

Dionysus Greece 500BC Born 25th December, virgin birth, Performed miracles, King of Knings, Alpha and Omega, Resurrected

Fact : The arch of Constantine is adorned with images of the goddess Victoria and when it was dedicated sacrifices to gods including Apollo, Diana, and Hercules were made. There are no Christian symbols on the Arch whatsoever.

One imbecilic Christian wrote...The Bible doesn't mention the 25th of December as the birth date of Jesus so Christians don't care about these dates of these other Gods being the same...lol He is correct...so why celebrate it on the day of all these other Gods?

That Constantine was a clever manipulator...lmao And you guys all have fallen for the trick... TOP EFFORT!...lmao

Merry Whoever you worship day...lmao
Posted by Opinionated2, Saturday, 23 December 2017 11:35:43 AM
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david f, wasn't responding to you, but another DAVID.

That said, some evolutionists are clearly more fanatical about their fundamentally flawed, belief based system of explaining, the universe and everything. Simply put, and given energy can neither be created nor destroyed! Something from nothing can only be explained by a creative force or magic.

Moreover, and given comparative complexity! It would be easier for a whirlwind to whip through a junkyard and create a fully assembled and flyable 747 than chance and serendipity, alias evolution, to create something vastly more complex, i.e., a living, breathing, thinking (sometimes) man.

Tristian. I said and meant suppository, although suggesting he talk from a little higher up? Might have been too obvious? And it's the season of goodwill?

Besides, I was quoting Mr Tony Abbott, an all too obvious expert in all such allied matters, objects or substance? And indeed, where to put them? Along with the majority of his very best ideas and achievable outcomes?

That said. I wish you all a very merry Christmas and hope that's it's your fondest dreams that come true/are realised. And, (lang may yer lumrick.)

And if you intend to tipple with any enthusiasm? Drive your drink home, then get thoroughly plastered there. As opposed to drinking then driving into the front of a bus or a bulldozer or worse, Santa making a delivery.

Cheers and best wishes.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Saturday, 23 December 2017 12:22:20 PM
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Alan B...

You said ....It would be easier for a whirlwind to whip through a junkyard and create a fully assembled and flyable 747 than chance and serendipity, alias evolution, to create something vastly more complex, i.e., a living, breathing, thinking (sometimes) man.

So prove it..Has it ever happened? Any junkyards being blown into a fully operational 747 that you know of?

The Theory of Evolution is happening before your very eyes and you miss it.

Let me point it out to you...

Religious people who believe with no evidence whatsoever God drowned everyone on Earth in a flood except 8 humans and pairs of each animal species, or who believe in talking snakes, or who believe in a murderous, vengeful God are at best standing still.

Others who have turned to a more educated scientific approach to understanding the past and where we came from are moving forward thus are evolving.

Seeing the ones who want to learn are evolving that means the Abrahamic religious among us are devolving.

Viruses and Bacteria are evolving right before researchers eyes or are you saying that is the hand of God making these viruses and bacterium more dangerous to man?

The theory of God is a very interesting and simplistic theory that may be true BUT it's problems lie mainly in it's believers... An influx of brains into those ranks would improve the average IQ dramatically and might actually assist it, but brains tend to notice the holes in that theory.

As evolution is a Theory, it means that correctly, science has left the door open for future discoveries that may alter the theory. Now that is using our God given brains correctly...If they were given to us by God.

What does that say for the believers in talking snakes and other absurdities? God loves them so much that he made them more dense than the rest of us?...lol

Christmas isn't a Christian celebration...The Pharasaical religions tricked you all into celebrating the birthdays of non-existant pagan Gods and you do it willingly...lmao

Christians don't own Christmas they just think they do!...lol
Posted by Opinionated2, Saturday, 23 December 2017 1:39:35 PM
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Alan, I am big enough to admit that I don't have all the answers, but I have been around for long enough to know that the Christian churches as they presently stand know sfa about the origin of man or what happens to us when we die.

David
Posted by VK3AUU, Saturday, 23 December 2017 2:14:57 PM
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Dear Tristin Ewins, You wrote, “and true Christians find God and Christ in their own way.” When a Christian uses the phrase “true Christian” he or she generally means those Christians whose actions he or she approves of. I do not make such a differentiation. IMHO Christians who opposed Hitler and Christians who supported Hitler were all true Christians. Some Christians behave in a manner I approve of, and some Christians behave in a manner I disapprove of. However, I do not define Christians as “true” because I approve their actions. Christians may forget that the one they worship, namely Jesus Christ, was not any kind of Christian, either true or false. Christians claim to follow Christ, but they do not follow Christ’s religion. As far as I am concerned no follower of Christ can be a Christian. From my reading of history Christianity was founded by Paul not Jesus. As an American I admire the Christians Roger Williams, John Brown and Martin Luther King jr. I despise the Christians Robert E. Lee and Benedict Arnold. However, none of them followed Jesus’ religion. Dear Not_Now_Soon, The Catholic Church did not excommunicate Hitler although they excommunicated many other Catholics. Apparently His actions did not merit excommunication. As far as the Catholic Church was concerned he remained a Christian. I am not aware of any German church during his rule denying his Christianity. Whether one is or is not a Christian is determined not by one’s thoughts or actions but by the acceptance of a church and/or other Christians. That criterion applies to Muslims, Jews, Buddhists and others. Hitler was a Christian. Jesus wasn’t. Dear Leo Lane, The death penalty for paedophiles like the death penalty for other criminals does not undo what the criminals have done. Paedophiles may be under a pathologic compulsion while those who cover up their actions may simply be working in the interests of a corrupt bureaucracy. The death penalty for those covering up the actions of the paedophiles does not undo the actions of the paedophiles either. The death penalty merely makes the state a murderer.
Posted by david f, Saturday, 23 December 2017 4:11:30 PM
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Found a moral conscience davidf. How amazing.
Posted by runner, Saturday, 23 December 2017 8:49:03 PM
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