#Armchair

Your response in regard to my statement:

"I challenge you to point out one occasion where I have said Arabs should be moved to Jordan"

- shows you up to be a person who makes false accusations that he cannot substantiate with this abject response:

"I'm not sure you've ever actually said it, but it seems as though you're constantly implying it."

I expect your apology and withdrawal of your defamatory comment within the next 24 hours.

I answer your four questions as follows:

1. You want the 1922 borders for the Mandate for Palestine, with Israel taking the 23% right? WRONG

2. And Jordon as the place for the Palestinians right? WRONG

3. And that you want West Bank and Gaza incorporated into Jordan is that right? WRONG

4. That to me implies (based on the 1922 maps) that you want Israel free of the current Palestinian inhabitants.
Does it not? WRONG

My position stated repeatedly in my articles published on OLO is that Jordan and Israel - the two successor States currently exercising sovereignty in 95% of the territory of the former Mandate for Palestine - should divide up the sovereignty of the remaining 5% still remaining unallocated - the West Bank and Gaza - in face to face direct negotiations (which could also include Egypt - particularly where Gaza is concerned).

I believe such negotiations can be successfully concluded with no one - Arab or Jew - having to leave his current home.

While I am at it - I have answered your above questions and I would ask you (for the fourth time) to answer "YES" or "NO" to the following question:
"Do you agree that the second state the Arabs want to establish in former Palestine in 2017 - in addition to Jordan - occupying 100% of the West Bank and Gaza with Jerusalem as its capital (and not one square metre less) - could have been created at any time between 1948 and 1967 after all the Jews had been kicked out of these places by six invading Arab armies in 1948?"

//Come on Antonio lead the way and show them you are no cretin//

Up yours, splitter!

//by answering [in the manner I dictate]//

Okely dokely Dave, but I'm not sure what this is is supposed to prove:

"YES" or "NO" to the following question:

"Do you agree that the second state the Arabs want to establish in former Palestine in 2017 - in addition to Jordan - occupying 100% of the West Bank and Gaza with Jerusalem as its capital (and not one square metre less) - could have been created at any time between 1948 and 1967 after all the Jews had been kicked out of these places by six invading Arab armies in 1948?"

Leading up to Israel's independence in 1948, it was common for the international press to label Jews, not Arabs, living in the mandate as Palestinians. The word Palestine or Filastin does not appear in the Koran. The term peleshet appears in the Jewish Tanakh no fewer than 250 times. Palestinians are Jewish user-names hiding behind Arab-Israeli caliphate tanks. The Rashidun army under the command of Abu Ubaidah besieged Jerusalem and after six months, the Patriarch Sophronius and Lord Balfour divided 5% of mandates into flats and penthouses , with strata title for minarets on pro-rata preferred basis . Phoenix dactylifera, commonly known as date palm, proclaimed on 14 May 1948 (5 Iyar 5708) and up to 1967 for date men led to the question , with Arabs answering "yes".

Dear David,

«12.5 million Australians had no trouble answering "YES" or "NO" to the question asked in the same sex marriage survey»

Just because 12.5 million Australians eventually replied this way or the other, does not mean that they had no trouble answering, especially because the question included an incorrect assumption - that marriage of same-sex people was presently illegal in Australia: How can anything be possibly "legalised" when it is already legal?!

Similarly, your latest question also contains a wrong assumption - which is that the Arabs want such a second state. Yes, if the Arabs so wanted, then they had several opportunities to have that state, especially under the leadership of Israeli PM Ehud Barak, but the majority of Arabs do not want such a state and never did, since then they would be forever stuck under a corrupt regime.

The majority of Arabs would rather live in Israel and enjoy its democratic environment and prosperity - but that doesn't mean that Israel should succumb and accept them en mass, destroying its social fabric. Israel should leave them where they live in the West Bank and Gaza - and leave, just leave, whether the Arabs like it or not: if the Arabs still refuse (with all kinds of excuses) to have their own state there, then too bad, then let the Jewish settlers (those of them who prefer to remain in the West Bank after Israel's withdrawal, which by then, through that choice would no longer remain Israeli citizens) instead form their own second Jewish state in the West Bank. I think that most Arabs would prefer to even live under Jewish settler-rule than under their own corrupt leaders.

The Hasbara racist has asked (again)

""Do you agree that the second state the Arabs want to establish in former Palestine in 2017 - in addition to Jordan - occupying 100% of the West Bank and Gaza with Jerusalem as its capital (and not one square metre less) - could have been created at any time between 1948 and 1967 after all the Jews had been kicked out of these places by six invading Arab armies in 1948?"

Answer (again): NO

Reason spelled out in great detail in my earlier post.

Recent event: In Jerusalem the Yanks have today joined American historical exceptionalism to Israeli racial exceptionalism to isolate both from the rest of the world's governments (including ours) and from the increasing preponderance of world opinion.

Hi David,

"I believe such negotiations can be successfully concluded with no one - Arab or Jew - having to leave his current home."

Okay.. I'm suppose I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but in regards to this:

My position stated repeatedly in my articles published on OLO is that Jordan and Israel - the two successor States currently exercising sovereignty in 95% of the territory of the former Mandate for Palestine - should divide up the sovereignty of the remaining 5% still remaining unallocated - the West Bank and Gaza - in face to face direct negotiations (which could also include Egypt - particularly where Gaza is concerned).

- You're going to need to elaborate.

In regards to your question:
I've assure you I've already given you my honest answer, If I gave you my 'ignorant' answer it would be "Probably Not, I doubt Israel would've allowed it to happen, and if you want my honest answer I'd have to answer 'I don't know'.

I'll consider your request for an apology after you've elaborated further on your plan.