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Victoria’s Voluntary Assisted Dying Bill 2017: sending mixed messages on suicide : Comments

By Simon Kennedy, published 19/10/2017

It doesn’t require doctors to check for an undiagnosed mental health issue; only a pre-diagnosed one.

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Might I add that, from a purely moral point of view, I, personally consider that forgiving your “murderer” is quite commendable, but requesting that he or she should not be “convicted or jailed” is not at all commendable – on the contrary, it is totally irresponsible.

From my point of view, we should all assume full responsibility for our acts and be prepared to accept the consequences – unless, of course, we are mentally impaired. The least we can do for our family and friends, and the society in which we live, is to do whatever we can to avoid them being murdered too.

It is totally irresponsible to request that the murderer continue to remain free in order to murder whomever he likes without the slightest risk of being apprehended.

I cannot understand how such a deeply religious person as yourself, Yuyutsu, can possibly have more consideration for an atrocious murderer than for his or her victims. I am afraid your legendary mysticism has led you astray. He whom you think is your God must be none other than the devil.

Beware, my friend. Take care !

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Wednesday, 25 October 2017 3:18:56 AM
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//all I can see is a teenager trying to look smart by calling his debate opponents fools in one form or another.//

Et tu Brute.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Wednesday, 25 October 2017 4:56:26 AM
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Dear Banjo,

Whatever is beyond my power is beyond my power and I'm not responsible for it: at least I've done my best to prevent violence done "on my behalf".

«for greater solidarity on the regional, state, national and international scene.»

You cannot expect from me any solidarity with a body-of-people that forces its membership on others. That body-of-people could otherwise perhaps be great and very useful, but if even ONE(1) individual is forced to belong to it against their will, then I pray for that body to be eliminated.

«In my view, we must recognize and accept our differences; it is these differences that make our culture so rich and our nation strong.»

But this is a utilitarian approach: lucky that in this case morality and utility coincide, but even if the situation were to our personal/cultural/national detriment, we must still accept (at least tolerate) differences because doing otherwise would be immoral and sinful.

«If, in fact, you were murdered, the police would probably interpret that to mean that you knew someone wanted to kill you»

It would look suspicious if I was murdered the day after I wrote my will, but not after it was in the safe, untouched for many years.
Anyway, let them think whatever they want, my thoughts when writing my will were actually of total strangers rather than of family.

«Murder is a crime against the state»

You make it sound like a virtue...
(but of course it isn't: others are hurt too)

«It is totally irresponsible to request that the murderer continue to remain free in order to murder whomever he likes»

Nobody should lose their freedom just because they killed my body.
If others want to stop the murderer, that should only be on grounds of self-defence: fear of future rather than revenge over the past. Such fear is a weakness, but still acceptable.

«more consideration for an atrocious murderer than for his or her victims»

More consideration for the victims, lest their suffering deepens and is carried further into the future if they keep pushing the wheel of suffering.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 25 October 2017 10:27:34 AM
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Dear Yuyutsu,

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You wrote :

« You cannot expect from me any solidarity with a body-of-people that forces its membership on others. That body-of-people could otherwise perhaps be great and very useful, but if even ONE(1) individual is forced to belong to it against their will, then I pray for that body to be eliminated »

There seems to be a wound deep inside you, Yuyutsu. It’s none of my business what it is, but I hope one day you will manage to forgive and forget.

With best wishes.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Wednesday, 25 October 2017 6:49:00 PM
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