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Victoria’s Voluntary Assisted Dying Bill 2017: sending mixed messages on suicide : Comments

By Simon Kennedy, published 19/10/2017

It doesn’t require doctors to check for an undiagnosed mental health issue; only a pre-diagnosed one.

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Is the Alliance Defending "Freedom" really just about that, or is a very powerful vector for a much more all-compassing sinister project to turn the USA into a theocratic state?
This long essay provides some very useful context for understanding its existence and mission.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/23/the-danger-of-president-pence

It is also very much an integral part of the phenomenon described by Chris Hedges in his prophetic book American Fascists - The Christian Right and Its War Against America
Posted by Daffy Duck, Thursday, 19 October 2017 4:21:45 PM
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Yes big Nana, and big-time!
Cheers, Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 19 October 2017 4:31:41 PM
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No one needs to ask a doctor to assist them end their life, when they have the superman option and can jump off a tall building in a single bound!

Or if too messy?

Then, row, row your boat merrily, merrily out to sea, beyond the blue horizon? Then abandon it when a full tide turns when you're well past your return swim limit!

To ensure you achieve your life ending goal and in a gone fishing, "accidental" way that allows the insurance to pay the beneficiaries and replace the boat!?

And so considerate as to completely spare them your funeral costs!

I mean you'd need a really compelling reason?

Like say, having to give up unaffordable smoking? Or your favourite tipple? And compelling, life no longer worth living reason, without the favourite addiction?

And a true nightmare scenario that make any sane person want to take a running jump off a very high cliff?

Always providing it was high enough to allow one sufficient time to down a couple of bottles of single malt on the way down?

What is it about this issue that is invariably trotted out, when the polls are going badly!?

A distraction from really important stuff like affordable housing and social justice?

Some of the more credible excuses come from old folk, their voices or rights no longer heard or tolerated and made to feel completely useless with nothing more to contribute? Years worth of validated research tossed, without examination?

And could be offered a pill in preference to being hidden away in some beautifully presented hell hole, euphemistically referred to as, residential aged care?
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Thursday, 19 October 2017 5:03:44 PM
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Sucide is never an answer. It should not be supported in any legal way or from any industry. Medical included.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Thursday, 19 October 2017 5:07:33 PM
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Difficult

I've cancer and sometimes lots of pain - and I mean real pain - I'm flat on my back and can't even get to the kitchen for a knife ... yet alone walk to a cliff to jump over. I'm told the pain will get worse, when is unknown, but sometime soon ... weeks, months? Depressed, no not really. I've had a good life and I'm well looked after by family and government sponsored palliative care. Unhappy, sure but I'm drinking better wine, drinking less and enjoying it more. Would I 'take my own life'? Yes, when the pain is impossible, otherwise no. I'm still searching for a reliable 'Lonely Planet' guide for the next journey, without it the risks are too high. As I get nearer the exit the journey's outlines get clearer and the risk will eventually be worth taking in a miasma of pain. But how?

But suicide is not the same as a personal a 'when to end it life decision' brought on by pain. It is a possession, a strange thing. I've had it before in my life, it came from outside me. I do wonder if it was brought on by DDT poisoning or a ghost. If a ghost it all becomes a religious issue. And if chemical a medical issue.

Glad I don't need to cast a vote on this one
Posted by don't worry, Thursday, 19 October 2017 7:31:18 PM
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While I support euthanasia, I agree with the author that depression that results from having to deal with a terminal illness needs to be treated first.
Treat the depression, then discuss the patient's wishes.
The patient needs to be fully assessed by 1. their own doctor, 2. their specialist (e.g. oncologist) 3. a psychiater and preferably also 4. a commission that overlooks all three.
Posted by Celivia, Thursday, 19 October 2017 9:07:20 PM
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