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The first person of the Trinity: the Father : Comments

By Peter Sellick, published 16/10/2017

While it may seem rationally urgent to posit the existence of a being who set the planets in their orbits, this is not a concept to be found in the Hebrew Scriptures.

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I'm of the opinion God the "Father" is a:

Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and Intersex (LGBTI) Ageing, Women of Colour.

Praise Be
http://youtu.be/ciPszqk703k
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 16 October 2017 4:39:52 PM
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"The first problem that we face when conceiving of the Father is that He is identified as God without regard to the other persons of the Trinity. "
Sells
You have to get onto that , fast. A quick prayer or two and check the Koran for style and start revising . Mohammed knew his stuff.
Posted by nicknamenick, Monday, 16 October 2017 5:32:29 PM
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Aaaaannnnnndddddd.... ladies, gentleman, extraterrestrials and assorted others... this is what you've been waiting for!!

The Main Event! The Big Showdown! Jehovah vs. the World, the Umpteenth Rematch! Let's cross live now to Cain & Abel in the commentary box to hear their thoughts on the upcoming rematch.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Monday, 16 October 2017 7:07:27 PM
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CAIN: Yes, it's shaping up to be an exciting rematch here tonight. And you know, I think that Jehovah really their work cut out for them tonight. Despite many years of at the top of the league, the World are really starting to show some good form.

ABEL: I don't know Cain, they still have a lot of loyal and deeply passionate supporters out there in the stands, and I think we could be in for a tight match.

CAIN: Well you can't help but admire the passion with which the Jehohvan fans support their team - what they lack in numbers they make up for in volume. But I think it's fair to say that at this stage it's only the Jews and the Christians cheering for Jehovah.

ABEL: Well Cain, you know I've always said that Jehovah and Allah should broker a merger. They'd form a stronger club with a bigger fan base, and really give the World a run for the money.

CAIN: There is definitely strength in numbers. And you know, I think that might be what tips the balance in favour of the World. Have you seen their front line? We're talking all the big names: Thor, Mars, Ares, Kali, Fionn mac Cumhaill...hard gods, heavy hitters. They've got Heimdallr in goal, and nothing is getting past that god because they've got Loki on their team as well, running interference along with set. Hume, Russell and Hitchens are blocking. And of course, you can't look past Spinoza's incredible form... perhaps the finest Seeker since the legendary Viktor Krum. I mean come on, Abel. They've even got a better mascot: a flying spaghetti monster vs. an invisible ghost. Remind me of the Jehovan line up again?

ABEL: Well there's Jehovah of course, and his son....

CAIN: His carpenter son? The really cissy one? Christ, Thor is gonna tear him a new one.

ABEL: Yes, Jehovah and Jesus, and few rabbis and some saints.

CAIN: Well I hope their fans are praying for a miracle tonight, Abel.

ABEL: Who's umpire?

CAIN: The Buddha.

ABEL: Oh, well they're fuc….
Posted by Toni Lavis, Monday, 16 October 2017 7:22:07 PM
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The article exquisitely describes the role of the Son: Thank you!

The article also sharply describes what the Father is not and how His name was used in vain by 17th-century scientists to try to solve their petty curiosities: Brilliant!

The article does not describe, however, why the Father is even needed.
Yes, we have an "image of the son", but why objectivise it by calling it "Father"?

The author claims:
"He is identified as God without regard to the other persons of the Trinity. This is as true for Christians and non-Christians..."

No, not for Hindus like myself: I do not identify the Father as God, I cannot even see why I should.
I do actually feel closer to the Trinity, as more inviting to seek God and walk in His ways, but then each to their own.

As far as I and Hinduism is concerned, the Father is like any other god, an aiding image that is used to focus the devotee's attention on God. If this particular image of God as Father worked best for the children of Israel (due to their culture), then so be it. If as a Jew or Muslim it works best for you, then go for it, forsake all other gods and worship the Father alone, then let God's blessings and peace be upon you. But keep in mind that this Father is only YOUR chosen deity, not necessarily others', for whom different gods may work better.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 16 October 2017 7:57:54 PM
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Dear Peter,

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You have elevated your mysticism to a paroxysm of ecstasy on that one, Peter … must be the grand finale, I guess.

Bravo ! Well done !

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 7:00:07 AM
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Sells, selling the sun with no sunspots, in the land of perpetual doubters, to the sceptic association of OLO.

Good luck with that one!
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 7:51:30 AM
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Sells,

An interesting piece. Still, can’t one read your

“The Son, as we discover Him in the history of the nation Israel and in Jesus of Nazareth, is the narrow gate through which God (of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob) is revealed to us”

also as

“The Son, as we discover Him in the history of the nation Israel and in Jesus of Nazareth, is the narrow gate through which God of philosophers (and other religions) is revealed to Christians”?

>> to see God coming to us from the future <<

A reference to Juergen Moltmann’s “God is the coming God, rather than a God abidingly present” in his Theology of Hope?

As for some reactions here, let me remind you of my favourite quote from J. W. Goethe's Faust:

True, human beings may abound
Who growl at things beyond their ken,
Mocking the beautiful and good,
And all they haven't understood.
Posted by George, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 8:37:44 AM
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George
If one can understand you , then "the narrow gate through which God of philosophers (and other religions) is revealed to Christians”.
Krishna may be Christ but did Solomon build a multi-cultural community centre for Afro-Asian and Amerindian dance and vibrant ethnics?
Posted by nicknamenick, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 9:14:34 AM
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George,
Thanks for the poem. I have detected a note of desperation in the comments section during the last four posts. I have shifted the debate well away from the usual loaded debate about God and they don't quite know how to respond.

Very broad minded of you to include all the other religions.
Pete
Posted by Sells, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 9:58:41 AM
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Sells, instead of whining on about the audience, why not pitch something towards them which is more convincing.
The question is; what are you trying to achieve by arguing theology with unbelievers, who hold no stead with the Christian view. In fact, those who are openly hostile to it.

There is no message in your post to them, short of mind games of convincing.

It even annoys me: one who is sympathetic to Christianity. Who cares about the trinity. It's a subject that has shifted and changes down through the ages, and is not set in its conclusions!

There are denominations of Christian thinkers, who disbelieve the trinity theory. It is irrelevant to the true message of religion, which is, I ask you? Give me a “from the heart” answer. Not some high-brow holier than thou BS.

What does Scott Morrison believe, as an evangelical Christian? Just to make the subject relevant. why don't you ask him, and get back to OLO with something of interest!
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 10:40:29 AM
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It was broad-minded of Pope Alexander VI of blessed memory to grant The Treaty of Tordesillas 1494 which divided the newly discovered lands outside Europe between the Portuguese and Spanish Empires . This trinity was written in blood and gold which poured through narrow gates of holy banks run by the Fathers and Cesare Borgia his son . All religions thus came to know and love this discovery .
Posted by nicknamenick, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 3:19:58 PM
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Dear George, Dear Peter,

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I often wonder if prolific writers take the time to re-read everything they write. I have noticed on occasion that they invariably end-up contradicting themselves. Goethe is no exception.

As you rightly point out, George, he wrote those very wise words on one occasion :

« True, human beings may abound
Who growl at things beyond their ken,
Mocking the beautiful and good,
And all they haven't understood »

And the following, equally wise words, on another :

« You really only know when you know little. Doubt grows with knowledge »

Both ring true.

Just as amusingly, he also wrote :

« Wo viel Licht ist, ist starker Schatten.
(There is strong shadow where there is much light) »

And :

« Ein echter deutscher Mann mag keinen Franzen leiden,
Doch ihre Weine trinkt er gern.
(A true German can't stand the French,
Yet gladly he drinks their wines) »
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I guess we are all full of our contradictions. That’s life …

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 11:11:25 PM
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Sells
There have been several questions here. Do you understand what they mean?
The article resembles opinions that the law against MP foreign citizenship really means that Kim Jong-Un and Hare Krishna are senators . Poetic licence is a way to boost cross-bench voting strength.
Posted by nicknamenick, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 7:20:45 AM
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Sells :" I have shifted the debate well away from the usual loaded debate about God and they don't quite know how to respond."
What debate ? You denigrate responses and won't engage with questions.
Posted by nicknamenick, Thursday, 19 October 2017 7:43:33 AM
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