runner asks: “would you argue that a [paedophile] being attracted to kids is ok as long as they avoid sex[?]”

No.

His patronage of child molesting web sites, publishers and his discussions with others like him are responsible for the existence of child molesting, prostitution and torture of children to provide for his tastes. Clientele drive the commission of the crimes.

It is impossible that a paedophlie will not be acting on his impulses.

Ensure they get early referral, in teens where behaviour might be noticed for instance, to someone competent for their own and others' sake.

'His patronage of child molesting web sites, publishers and his discussions with others like him are responsible for the existence of child molesting, prostitution and torture of children to provide for his tastes'

I am not sure that explains 30% or so of kids abused in Roeburne and other aboriginal communities although no doubt porn plays a role. The regressives argued for years that was someone views does not affect their behaviour. How wrong they were about this and so many other dogmas.

leoj,

Firstly, I think it’s a bit of a stretch to say that it is impossible for paedophiles to not act on their impulses. What makes paedophilia so different to teleiophilia, in that way?

Secondly, and this might be nit-picking, even if it is impossible for paedophiles to control their impulses to the extent where they will inevitably at least access child porn, that still doesn’t make being a paedophile inherently wrong. It’s what results from it that is wrong.

Finally, all I think runner had in mind was the mere state of being a paedophile. He spoke specifically of “being attracted to kids”. Not what that may result in. runner doesn’t think that deeply about anything. What you see is what you get.

Dear Not_Now.Soon,

«But for me the best possible argument for it within the church is the understanding that we all sin»

Thank you for this wonderful observation.

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Dear Leoj,

«It is impossible that a paedophlie will not be acting on his impulses.

It is also impossible to lift the earth while you stand on it, but as Archimedes stated:

"Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world"

The physical human body cannot transcend itself and its animal nature, so on its own it will always act according to the dictates of its stupid genes. However, YOU can lift it up by using the spirit as lever and God as fulcrum.

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Dear Runner,

«would you argue that a peadophile being attracted to kids is ok as long as they avoid sex.»

No, because this would only be one of several conditions that are needed in order to ensure that no one gets hurt - see for example Leoj's condition regarding websites, etc.

But if all these conditions are met, so that no one is hurt, then there is nothing wrong about the attraction itself. Any attraction can be sublimated and turned towards God, then this same attraction is fulfilled and shines in all glory.

AJ Philips,

I didn't intend to interrupt the flow of the discussion.

In essence this is my contribution and I sincerely hope that all will be keeping it in mind,

"Ensure they get early referral, in teens where behaviour might be noticed for instance, to someone competent for their own and others' sake".

Has anyone been astounded by the sheer number of reported sexual abuse cases 7,000+ by protected paedophile priests, sick bastards, some of who hid in plain sight among us, as the most vociferous and vicious homophobes pounding pulpits and labeling God created natural attraction/perfectly normal lust/naked as the day you were born/normal masterbation, as sinful.

In the days when gentle kind J.C. walked the earth, most men were married in their teens and parents in their twenties or sooner.

The fact he was allegedly still unmarried at 33 and preferred the company of men, would have had the runners of his era, labeling him as a homosexual, with maybe Judas as his secret lover?

And true to homophobic form, crucifying him for daring to be born different.

Science has had another look at this and discovered the gay gene, which is not one gene but several and down near the bottom of the double helix DNA spiral!

But hell, why let the science and emerging evidence stand in the way of a fatuous foible and just using some misbegotten stone age belief system as the only excuse for all manner of never ever justified judgement, discrimination, abuse and self indulgent confirmation bias.

And so far from the universal golden rule, of do unto others, to all but condemn the parsimonious finger pointers to ultimately pay for all the harm they do, have done or cause!

Having opened death door and taken a truly terrified butchers. I would want to be in your shoes when you stand in ultimate final judgement, runner and co.
Alan B.