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The churches and gay marriage : Comments

By Peter Sellick, published 24/8/2017

A public issue like gay marriage evokes a storm of protests from many groups all proclaiming themselves to represent the Christian view.

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The 'gay' gene. Dont be so gullible Alan. Next you will be saying their is a paedophile gene.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 24 August 2017 10:28:05 PM
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More pompous liberal nonsense from the poison pen of the devil! What drivel that flows to its conclusion in the second last paragraph. Why not simply say you are pro-gay and leave Christianity out of it. Coward!
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 24 August 2017 10:34:42 PM
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It won't make them feel better Peter. Unfortunately. If it would then maybe but I don't believe it will.
My expectation is it'll only add fear of resentment to that underlying aguish they all feel about disapproval from others.
Their anguish is understandable and it's hard not to be sympathetic but facts are facts.
Hetrosexual attraction is a natural biological process of our species. It's not the anomaly. Unease with homosexuality is instinctive and natural.
All the indoctrination in the world won't change that regardless of whether it's from twisting scriptures or the marxist programmers in our schools. Neither will changing a law so homosexual couples can call their relationship a marriage on paper.
Marriage is the name we use for the unique and natural union of a man and a woman.
Expanding the meaning of the term is just an exercise in pretending and that we're even entertaining the idea quite frankly demonstrates just how dumbed down and stupid we've become as a society as runner correctly said above.
Posted by jamo, Friday, 25 August 2017 1:58:24 AM
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Runner. You've compaired peadophiles to homosexuals. So with that in mind,I'll answer your question. Then try to explain my origional thoughts.

If a pedophile resist the urge to harm children, like an alcoholic resists the urge to drink. Then that pedophile is doing their duty to fight the evil within them. If like an alcoholic avoiding places that have alcohol, if a pedophile avoids places that children are around as well as porn that serve the desire. Then that person is doing well to fight their urges. I don't think I can ever say that the pedophile kind of attraction is good.

Back to homosexual attraction, that is harder to fight by avoidance, half the population is male and half is female. Homosexuals likely won't be able to avoid their own sex. Jesus also said concerning adultry that if you lust for another woman you've commited adultry in your heart. So I might have the wrong approach here to say that by not acting on the attraction that would be enough. However that bit of advice is more then I can do myself as a heterosexual. I'm a married man because I am attracted to women. And that relationship helps me not burn with lust for women in a general way. To ask more then just them to control their actions is too hypocritical for me to set as a standard. If this makes more sense. I'm not taking Sellick's side to change the church to being pro gay. Just that in our assessment make their journey reachable, and hope on God's salvation to take them the rest of the way.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Friday, 25 August 2017 2:50:30 AM
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Toni Lavis, you said:

<<Well maybe give that a try then? Jesus is pretty much mute on the topic of homosexuality. He never comes out in favour - but he never condemns it either...>>

There's a error in this thinking. Jesus said that he did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill it. Jesus continues to say strongly that anyone who dismisses the laws and encourages others to do the same will be the least in the Kindgom of God. But unless they are more rightous then the religous leaders they won't enter the kingdom at all.

With this in mind, unless Jesus says something pertaining to a law to change our understanding of it, we should take the laws as they say. The only instance where Jesus does this is about eating food that makes us unclean. Saying that it's not what food we put into our mouth that makes us unclean. But what we say that comes out of the mouth that makes us unclean. This is the only time I am aware of were Jesus addresses a law from the Okd Testiment to correct it in this kind of way. Sleeping with the same sex makes a person a homosexual just as killing a person makes someone a murderer, or stealing makes a person a their. Jesus never corrected the understanding that homosexual relationships is wrong. Therefore we do harm by putting that position in His mouth.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Friday, 25 August 2017 3:07:22 AM
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Dear Yuyutsu. My understanding that we all sin is not an endorsement of our sinning. The attitude that some take this stance and apply into homosexuality is that homosexuality is ok because we all sin. We should not apply this logic to adultry which breaks up marriages, or to murder that kills, or even to lies that do damage in their own pathagon kind of way. So we should not hold that stance as an excuse to continue on sinning with homosexuality either. We should walk the line, to understand our own sins before helping another with their own. In that humility perhaps we can help one another without our arrogance coming into our judgment. Or even to help without judging at all.

Does this make more sense?
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Friday, 25 August 2017 3:21:59 AM
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