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Labor Party boosts PLO plans to destroy Israel and Jordan : Comments

By David Singer, published 4/8/2017

A PLO-governed State located in the remaining 5% between Israel and Jordan represents a threat to both Jordan and IsraeL.

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Dear Julian,

Other than Zionism (an ideological impediment), the practical impediments are:
1) Those inhabitants of refugee camps outside Palestine cannot reasonably be trusted to become benign, non-hostile Israeli citizens. To start with, [unlike Israeli Arabs that remained or were born in Israel,] they don't speak Hebrew and their customs are very different.
2) The original homes of their grand-grand parents have long been built over and transacted so the current owners, in general, had no knowledge or control over what happened under their land, typically before they were even born.

I don't give a hoot for Zionism, but if your plan is to solve the problem of 4-5 generations of refugees, who were hostage to Arab/Muslim ideology for generations, because no other refugees anywhere in the world remained unsettled for that long, if your plan is to solve this problem by displacing others, then I do not support it.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 12:54:54 PM
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There are just, non-racist, solutions for the difficulties Yuyutsu suggests as prohibiting the reversal of the injustice of the Nakba:

First step in making room for Palestinian returnees would be to kick the foreign immigrant occupants[1] out of the illegal settlements and send them back to their own countries. Then send back to their own countries immigrants[1] who have moved to Israel itself under its racist ancestry-based "Law of Return" governing who may enter and settle and who may not.

Allow Palestinian refugees in the camps to return and settle using their own languages and customs.

Close the whole territory to foreign racists who want to move to Palestine to "make aliyah".

The state of Israel as an entity could be relocated (without moving a single living person) in the Mediterranean Sea.

[1] No, people born in the territory are not immigrants no matter who their ancestors are.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 3:15:13 PM
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Dear Julian,

If the state of Israel is going to be relocated to the Mediterranean Sea, then who is going to guard my family against the incoming Arab/Muslim mob that wishes to kill them?

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It's not that I care about the past - I care for the present and future of my family, but I did find some discrepancies in your last post:

«reversal of the injustice of the Nakba»

Both sides suffered injustice at the time. Israel was attacked, the residents of Jerusalem were starved and dehydrated by siege, and 1% of the Israelis were killed in that 1948 war. Israel also had to absorb many Jewish refugees who were then expelled from Arab countries and stripped of their assets. It accepted them all without question while the Arab states did not accept their own.

«First step in making room for Palestinian returnees»

What "returnees"? 69 years later, only the aged have ever been in Israel and the number of those who were old enough to remember is even smaller.

«kick the foreign immigrant occupants[1] out of the illegal settlements and send them back to their own countries.»

Nice thought, I wish it was possible - but who in the world has the power to do such a thing? Perhaps JC when he comes again...

«Then send back to their own countries immigrants[1] who have moved to Israel itself»

What a display of humanity... Don't we hate the cruelty when Australia expels permanent-residents and Kiwis who lived here since childhood and never been in any other country? Go tear people from their families, from their friends, their homes and everything else... in order to settle old disputes that occurred before they were born, such as between the Montagues and Capulets.

«Allow Palestinian refugees in the camps to return and settle using their own languages and customs.»

Their language is Arabic and their customs are to draw knives and stab people shouting "Allahu Akbar".
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 7:26:16 PM
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The invasion by foreign racist terrorists (the Nakba) to create the rogue state of Israel is described ball to ball at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus

After that, all attacks on the state of Israel have been Resistance movements morally equivalent to the Resistance movements to reverse the Hun invasion and occupation of Europe during the 1940s.

Jewish families lived in Palestine as equals, not as born overlords or as cringing dhimmis, for centuries before the Nakba without Arabs going "Allahu Akbah" and cutting their throats.

Any "solution" short of restoring the status quo ante is no more just than solving the Hun occupation problem after 1939 by leaving it in place. All suggested "solutions" to Israeli occupation must be measured against that for them to be morally sustainable.

As for how the solution is to be achieved, non-racist Arabs and Jews will achieve it perforce after the racist state of Israel has lost its lifeline of support from America.

That is why pressure in America and allied countries against the Zionist lobby is so important in helping the inhabitants of Palestine (on both sides of the wall) to dismantle the state of Israel. The resultant disruption in Palestine will be no worse than the appalling disruption caused by the presence of Israel today.

There's a precedent: the dismantling of the racist Apartheid state of South Africa.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Thursday, 10 August 2017 1:25:52 PM
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Dear Julian,

You keep speaking of "solutions": solutions for what? The problem that you are eager to solve is some alleged injustice that happened in the first half of the 20th century.

Your solution is modelled after the ending of the Apartheid in South Africa. However, the Blacks in South Africa are peaceful and forgiving people; are a majority; and at least share Christian values with the Whites - none of these can be said for the Palestinians.

There is no chance that upon implementation of your solution, the Palestinians would allow my family to stay where they are, or even alive.

Israel, right or wrong, is highly capable of defending itself, thus defending my family, thus I have no reason to accept your solution - please try solving other problems in ways that do not involve expelling or killing my family. I am sure you could find plenty of those - shall we start with the occupation of Tibet?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Saturday, 19 August 2017 8:31:46 PM
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Responses to this whining article by the Zionist lawyer are relevant whereas responses about Tibet are not.

The problem to be solved is occupation of Palestine established by a terrorist invasion and endless subsequent land grabbing, and the undying hostility to this by the indigenous Palestinians many of whom have been forcibly exiled.

First is to call out the lies - the lie that Israel is the home of the Jewish people. It is not. The lie that to call for its dismantlement is Jew-hatred. It is not. The lie that Jews don't have dozens of homes in which they live as equals. They do. The lie that any race, anywhere, is chosen by God to be overlords. No such race exists. The lie that Israel is the only safe haven available to those protected by it (and the corollary that those it protects would be exposed to racist tyranny and have nowhere in the world to live if it was dismantled). It is not, it is anything but a safe haven, and there are many countries which would welcome such people as (equal) citizens.

Solutions to the problem are endlessly proposed and endlessly rejected and endlessly fought over, and the monumental injustice to indigenous Palestinians remains as does the drain on the financial, diplomatic and military resources of the USA (and to a lesser extent its allies) in keeping racist Israel artificially alive. That's why the solution to the problem has to be pursued in the USA and countries allied to it. The yappy lawyer David Singer reckons the Labor Party is letting his side down. Good on them if they are.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Sunday, 20 August 2017 1:52:44 PM
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