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The scary stories get scarier : Comments

By Don Aitkin, published 24/7/2017

President Trump's decision to pull the USA out of the Paris climate Accord seems to have had an outcome in the intensification of alarm.

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No answer, flea to the fact that you referred us to a paper marked “not to be cited, copied or distributed” as support for the climate fraud upon which you rely.
Having proved what a fool you are again, you jump back to your laughable, baseless hobby horse again, the Arctic ice disappearance.
Here is an update on that, which puts your attempt to deceive into perspective:
“ when figures were released for the yearly minimum on September 10, they showed that there was still 1.6 million square miles of sea ice (4.14 square kilometres), which was 21 per cent more than the lowest point in 2012.”
The article is headed:
“Experts said Arctic sea ice would melt entirely by September 2016 - they were wrong”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/10/07/experts-said-arctic-sea-ice-would-melt-entirely-by-september-201/
You are always deceptive, and wrong, flea. This is not abuse, flea, as you will falsely assert, but merely a statement of fact.
Posted by Leo Lane, Thursday, 10 August 2017 9:53:59 PM
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I have posted Professor Carter’s demolition of the failed IPCC assertion of human caused climate change, several times, but the flea proclaims his ignorance of it, so here it is again. No one has faulted Professor Carter's science, or been able to show any validity in the IPCC’s flawed assertions.
“Carbon Dioxide hypothesis Fails
Robert Carter, a specialist in paleo-environmental and paleo-climatic topics and author of the book, “Climate: the Counter Consensus,” shows how this hypothesis of dangerous anthropogenic global warming (DAGW) fails. Below are some excerpts from a long post titled “Global Warming: Anthropogenic or Not?” See full post here.
Many different lines of evidence can be used to test the Dangerous Anthropogenic Global Warming hypothesis (DAGW). Here are five pieces of evidence, all of which are based upon real world empirical data.
1. Over the last 16 years, global average temperature, as measured by both thermometers and satellite sensors, has displayed no statistically significant warming; over the same period, atmospheric carbon dioxide has increased by 10%.
Large increases in carbon dioxide have therefore not only failed to produce dangerous warming, but failed to produce any warming at all. Hypothesis fails.
, no evidence has been presented to disprove the null hypothesis.
https://wryheat.wordpress.com/2013/01/30/failure-of-the-anthropogenic-global-warming-hypothesis/
Posted by Leo Lane, Thursday, 10 August 2017 10:28:55 PM
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Reflux, demonstrating his lack of breeding, and his ignorant, uncivil behaviour, still fails to respond to questions about his lies concerning Professor Carter.
Here is a copy of my post in May, requesting his response
” Steele Reflux has raised his delusional head again, using the scurrilous term “denier”.
As I have asked you many times before, Reflux, what is the science being denied?
You have none. There is no science to show any measurable human effect on climate.
You disappeared from the climate thread after you posted the baseless lie that Robert Carter’s complete demolition of the climate fraud had been shown to be untrue.
You gave no reference to the source of this nonsense, and I asked you to give the source or admit that you had concocted the ridiculous lie yourself.
As is your custom when you corner yourself with your dishonesty, you disappeared down your rodent hole for months.
Now that you have surfaced will you please give the source of your baseless lies about Robert Carter’s work.
He showed that the assertions about CO2 by the fraud promoters completely fail.
As Carter's science is flawless, fraud promoters like Reflux, make baseless personal attacks.
What is your response this time, Reflux?
Disappear down the rat hole again?
Posted by Leo Lane, Sunday, 7 May 2017 2:03:43 PM
Posted by Leo Lane, Friday, 11 August 2017 12:01:53 AM
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Leo

I have never written that the Arctic would be ice free in 2016. Climate scientists generally believe it will take far longer for the Arctic to be ice free. Extent lines for sea ice extent and volume suggest that it will take much longer. Multi year sea ice is being lost as is sea ice thickness. Multi year ice is the back bone of Arctic sea ice.

Remember
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"Alaska and Arctic surface and air temperatures are rising more than twice as fast as the global average." (Very high confidence). "

Did you read the reference you provided?

Quote:

"Although a quick glance at NSIDC satellite data going back to 1981 shows an undeniable downward trend in sea ice over the past 35 years, scientists have accused Prof Wadhams and others of "crying wolf" and harming the message of climate change through "dramatic", "incorrect" and "confusing" predictions."

The comment "... an undenial downward trend in sea ice over the past 35 years ..." is quite unambiguous, Leo.

There are no doubts about Arctic sea ice being lost. As mentioned previously an English aluminium yacht has sailed both routes of the fabled North West passage in 2016 in the one season. The skipper of the yacht received a knighthood as a result.

Also:

"After 24 days at sea and a journey spanning more than 10,000 kilometers (6,214 miles), the Finnish icebreaker MSV Nordica has set a new record for the earliest transit of the fabled Northwest Passage."

From:

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/29/the-associated-press-the-latest-icebreaker-sets-record-for-nw-passage-transit.html
Posted by ant, Friday, 11 August 2017 8:02:05 AM
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Leo

Temperature has been increasing over the last 16 years there is much evidence.

The report referenced in the New York Times States:

" The global, long term and unambiguous warming trend has continued during recent years."
It is a statement having a very high degree of confidence.

Oceans have been warming as shown by coral reefs generally getting knocked by bleaching.

Empirical evidence showing warming, there are numerous other examples.
Posted by ant, Friday, 11 August 2017 8:34:42 AM
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Dear Leo Lane,

My so called 'slander' of Carter in your eyes was saying he was not a climate scientist.

You are yet again deflecting.

Look this is really simple mate, will you state for the record whether Carter was or wasn't a climate scientist.

Once done we can move on to matters he may have raised.

You will hopefully recognise though that issues raised by a non-climate scientist will naturally carry less weight than those from an actual one. This is why sorting his qualifications out is important.

Let's see which way you go.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 11 August 2017 10:55:24 AM
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