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Mind what you eat : Comments

By Scott MacInnes, published 9/6/2017

So let's all step up! Let's make a stand on moral principle and commit to making more ethical food choices in the future to reduce animal suffering.

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Talking, dead chickens, roasting on a spit. Now, there's an opening to to suggest that sanity has already left the room.

Next, another deranged person continues the 'obvious' link between Nazis and meat eaters! Just like the Holocaust, folks. And, soon we will be eating each other, simply because we eat animals put there for the purpose. Pope Peculiar also gets a mention.

It is said that 'it takes all kinds', and we certainly have them. I shan't repeat any of the awful things I've heard about Tasmanians.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 9 June 2017 10:08:46 AM
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oh dear, vegan's should be made to wear badges so ordinary people can see them in the street and avoid them.

I think an important life lesson for the author is available here. The second, the millisecond you find yourself wanting to quote anything that Peter singer has said, then you know you should stop what you are doing and go join a religious order and take a vow of silence.

there is noting wrong with eating meat. The way we treat, kill and consume animals particularly in the West is vastly better then they way they are treated by nature.
Generally they only people who have issues are the religious and the inner city middle class types.
Posted by Cobber the hound, Friday, 9 June 2017 10:17:34 AM
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I don't believe anyone connected to our food production is inherently cruel or favours cruelty! Yes from time to time one or two rogue operators are exposed putting maximised profits ahead of reasonable animal welfare? Others make a case for better land use than mere sustenance grazing? Even though such land is suitable for little else than nomadic grazing?

That said, is there a better way? Well in a word yes!

We are not assisted by a primitive and inferior, fire based management model, which even as cool mosaic burning, comes up short, when compared to much more productive, very short term, highly intensive cell grazing. Where cloven hoofs work to break up fire baked soil thus allowing rain and organic nutrient entry, where the primitive model does mostly the opposite, all while sending of annual tons of scarce virtually irreplaceable essential nutrients and trace elements skyward, to end up in polluted oceans?

Marginal land can be effectively cell grazed without fences, just by turning taps and relocating available water! And that same land can be made far more productive if used to produce salt, frost and drought tolerant native wisteria. A perennial legume that fixes nitrogen and improves soil. The bean like seed pod can be harvested to extract a very useful oil (biodiesel) content! And the ex crush material will support fed lots fish and chicken farms.

Whenever I see footage of emaciated starving sub Saharan children, I think of those dead chickens turning on rotisseries, and think how much of this valuable protein is routinely wasted. All while obsessed activists waffle on, with this over the top style commentary!

Any similarity between the horrors of Auschwitz and modern free range chicken farming is illusional and only apparent in the minds of the self deluded, moribund, machiavellian activist!
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Friday, 9 June 2017 11:57:20 AM
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I agree with the thrust of this article. Although I would contest a few points in it at the extreme end; IE the debate on live cattle export, and its dealings by the Gillard nazi party in the past. That is an example of how NOT to deal with animal cruelty, which simply transmuted the object into human cruelty as the alternative.
And I don't like high profile fags, so I'll ignore the reference to Michael Kirby.
However, having worked in the rural industries for many years, and lived in the bush for most of it, what I have witnessed in animal husbandry, rarely moved under the tag of animal cruelty. The climate caused the most affliction to animal comfort. Traditional graziers were generally of the caring type.

Of course, any novice that visits the slaughter floor of an abattoir, would be justifiably horrified.
There is nothing nice about death, human or animal. Working on the slaughter floor leaves no time for emotions. The killing process must be quick and clean, to be humane.

Killing animals does strange things to some people. Aberdeen in the Hunter Valley has a classic case. A woman from the local abattoir, murdered her husband, hung his skin on the back veranda to dry, boiled up his body and fed it to her kids for dinner! It's true, it really happened!

Barbaric live finning of sharks must be stopped....speak to the grubby chines about this one!
Posted by diver dan, Friday, 9 June 2017 12:04:10 PM
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Two references which confirm the argument of this essay:
http://www.sacredcamelgardens.com/wordpress/wisdom/observe-non-humans-and-learn
http://www.jeffreymasson.com/books/the-face-on-your-plate.html
Posted by Daffy Duck, Friday, 9 June 2017 12:36:17 PM
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I saw a doco t'other day explaining how whales feed during their Alaskan summer jaunts. They dive below a school of herring and, while swimming in a circle, blow bubbles. This creates a so-called 'bubble wall' which causes the panicked herring to swim in an ever tightening group. Then, whoosh, the whales devour the poor herring in one gulp. The herring then spend their remaining minutes being slowly murdered by the whale's gastric juices.

A more horrendous death is hard to imagine. Its totally unethical of the whales to treat their fellow vertebrates in this way when there's so much nutritious sea-weed available.

We need to have a conversation with the whales (who are really really smart dontcha know) and convince them to change their unethical practices. No doubt the whales beleive they have ancient rights to this practice but "There is no moral justification, only an appeal to self-interest."

If talking doesn't work we then need to mount a campaign to keep these murders away from the herring. I've got no doubt that the highly ethical vegans in our midst will be completely onside in this virtuous exploit.
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 9 June 2017 1:13:20 PM
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