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By Max Atkinson, published 5/6/2017

Why does US policy insist on annual military exercises, meant to simulate an armed invasion of North Korea?

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The author is correct: America should not talk, but instead send one nuclear missile that will put an end to Jong-un and dynasty and free the most miserable people on earth who are locked up for generations in North Korea.

Thinking of casualties? It is better to be dead than to live under such a horrendous regime!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 5 June 2017 9:52:31 AM
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Risible rubbish! If everything else has been tried? What viable choices remain? A carefully planned surgical strike to remove a patent dictator/warmongering sabre rattling psychopath, might remain the only other option to out and out military conflict.

Which may include the inevitable use of nuclear weapons? No not nation destroying mega bombs hundreds of times more powerful than that which took out Hiroshima, but tactical nuclear weapons that have a ground zero effect of around a mile or less?

And like the neutron bomb, take only life inside that zone, even in bunkers deep underground, leaving valuable infrastructure unharmed and able to be safely revisited, within months?

And if the leadership bunker is too deep, able to be made available as the target of choice by several consecutive ten ton bunker busters that seal the (rabid mad dog) targets of choice within?

We are not at war with North Korea, nor do we want to be! Nor do we want to fight a religious war against a tiny splinter of extreme violent Sunni based Islam! Even when it is patently clear, their goal is to dominate or eliminate us!

It's good to have an open mind on the prospects of a peaceful resolution with NK or even radicalized Sunni Islam, but not so open that your brains leak? Quote unquote.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Monday, 5 June 2017 10:10:06 AM
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Max's assumes that if the US and South Korea drop their military preparedness, that North Korea will have no need to build nukes, and give them up.

What a pile of bollocks. All the time the US and others were trying to engage NK, sending them aide and oil, they were building the reactors to produce the plutonium for nukes.

Max, Grow up.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 5 June 2017 10:44:10 AM
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Readers don't you understand it's all Trumps fault, when Obama was president the north Koreans were handing out flowers to passerby.
Posted by Cobber the hound, Monday, 5 June 2017 11:50:53 AM
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' meant to simulate an armed invasion of North Korea'

Surely , you mean, by NOT of ?
Posted by Aspley, Monday, 5 June 2017 2:54:32 PM
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Aitkensen: why does US policy insist on annual military exercises, meant to simulate an armed invasion of North Korea,

I suppose they do this to show Nth. Korea that any attempted invasion of Sth. Korea would be folly.
Posted by Jayb, Monday, 5 June 2017 3:05:53 PM
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Now let's see.

North Korea tied to land 15 tons of heroin on an Australian beach in Victoria and the ship was chased and captured by the RAN.

North Korea bombed a KAL 747 and killed 0ver 400 South Korean passengers and crew.

It bombed a South Korean diplomatic mission in Burma and killed South Korean diplomatic personnel.

It shelled South Korean fishing villages that nothing more military or hostile in them but fishing boats and killed South Korean civilians.

It torpedoed a South Korean warship on routine patrol in international waters.

It has violated every UN demand to cease production of ICBM and nuclear warheads.

North Korea sneaked soldiers over the South Korean border which planted land mines that killed South Korean soldiers on routine patrol.

But who is at fault here according to max Atkinson? Why it is the dastardly the USA of course.

Memo to Max. If you are going to write communist propaganda then the trick is to make it credible. Don't write crap that nobody believes. Everybody knows that South Korea and the USA conduct military exercises every year and they have good reason to. But they have never done anything to provoke North Korea and your claim that the exercises are meant to prepare for an invasion of North Korea sounds like total garbage to me.

North Korea is an outlaw state who would sell nuclear weapons and ICBM's to ISIS if they could and they probably will. South Korea is a democratic country who's people enjoy one of the highest lioving standards in the world.

As a right wing racist, I thank you for your efforts at convincing most people what complete loonies you lefties are. Please keep up the good work and keep writing your ridiculous rubbish, it helps my side immensely.
Posted by LEGO, Monday, 5 June 2017 7:23:25 PM
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Hi Yuyutsu

i will suggest other ways of doing it than killing people to set them free.
Posted by rollyczar, Monday, 5 June 2017 9:40:01 PM
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Hi Alan B

That was a beautiful suggestion. I think there should be a room for peace rather than war.
Posted by rollyczar, Monday, 5 June 2017 9:51:17 PM
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@Cobber the hound, no. i don't think the fault is from him.
Posted by rollyczar, Monday, 5 June 2017 9:54:25 PM
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Dear Rollyczar,

So other than killing their oppressors, how do you propose to liberate the most oppressed people of North Korea who are locked there in concentration camps?

Forget about the external threats, forget even LEGO's long list of crimes against innocents outside NK: how can one ever sleep and not burn in agony knowing the terrible fate of ordinary North Koreans?

Death is far better an option than having to live there!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 12:25:49 AM
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Yuyutsu

Why do we need to liberate the people of North Korea? Why did we need to liberate the people of Libya? Why did we need to liberate the people of Iraq? Why did we need to liberate the people of Afghanistan? Why do we need to liberate the people of Syria?

All this liberating is Western narcissistic fantasy. It hasn't liberated anyone. All this infernal sanctimonious liberating has done is to create millions of corpses, cripples, made rubbled ruins of once functioning societies and destroyed ancient cultures, families and lives. And it has led to blowback terror on Western populations - oops.

And how do you know that the North Koreans are the most miserable people on earth? Have you ever been there?

I make a rule of not losing my temper on OLO. But your nihilistic hubris is truly gross. Nuke North Korea in order to save it? To quote a Christian Crusader at the fall of Jerusalem almost a thousand years ago, when asked how they are supposed to tell who were the Christians and who were the Muslims, he answered: 'Kill them all. God will decide.'

There is a lot of poverty and misery in Australia too. Now why don't we ask our US pals to drop a nuke or two on Australia. Either we'll thank them for liberating us from misery and poverty ... or we won't. But it's not up to us. God will decide.
Posted by Killarney, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 2:32:58 AM
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Killarney...
In short, we live among the enemy of reason.
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 7:34:59 AM
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Killarney: To quote a Christian Crusader at the fall of Jerusalem almost a thousand years ago, when asked how they are supposed to tell who were the Christians and who were the Muslims, he answered: 'Kill them all. God will decide.'

If you are going to quote history Killarney, I suggest you do some research first.

The Crusade was the Albignesian Crusade against the Cathars. (Christians) It was the First Crusade. It took place in the South of France. The incident happened on the 22 July 1209 at Beziers at the Cathedral of St. Mary Magdalene. 7000 Christians & Townspeople were burned to death in the Cathedral. The body grease still stains the wall & ceiling & comes through every time they paint them. Arnaud Amaury is reported to have said when told that there were good Christians in the Cathedral, "Kill them all; The Lord will recognise His own!" As reported by Cesaire de Heisterbach at the time.' Taken from a Book I purchased in Beziers. "The Cathars" by Lucien Bely. Sudouest IBDN 9 782879011936, for anyone interested in History. Very interesting, amazing how much of what we were taught at School was so wrong.

An aside. Did you know that the large Rose Window in the front of a Church or Cathedral is always a Dedication to St. Mary Magdalene. Strange that.

I do dislike it so much when people quote history & get it wrong.
Posted by Jayb, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 11:40:32 AM
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Killarney: Arnaud Amaury is reported to have said when told that there were good Christians in the Cathedral, "Kill them all; The Lord will recognise His own!"

Actually, going back to my previous Post. The Story Board about the event on the front of the Cathedral, says that Amuary sent a Messenger to the Pope asking for his advice, as there were Good Christians in with the Cathars & Heretics. He held them there for 20 days. The Pope, Pope Columbine, Yes the Calendar, Sent back the message & Amaury just read out the Popes Edict. So now you know.

The Cathedral is rather plain, compared to others in the South of France. It's just a single pale Lime Green room with a very plain Alter. It's not even built in the same style of normal Cathedrals. Except for the Huge Stained Glass Rose Window in the Front. Most Cathedrals are built in the Egyptian Aten/Jewish Temple type interior. This one isn't, which is strange.

Getting to it is a very interesting walk through the old part of the City, windy streets until you get to it on top of a Hill over looking the River. The Cathedral is actually called Nazaire de Beziers.

Just behind the Cathedral is a great little Art School/Museum where it explains the difference between Mary the mother of Jesus & Mary the Wife of Jesus. They both look the same except Mary the Mother is standing on the head of a snake on the Globe & holding Baby Jesus on one arm with her right arm raised in a two finger salute. The background is the cloudy sky.

Whereas Mary, Jesus wife, is holding a baby boy in one arm & is standing next to a short Pillar with a Vine wrapt around it & is writing a Book, which is on the top of the Pillar. The background is a Purple Veil. Hmmm.., Myths & Symbols in ancient Paintings, eh.
Posted by Jayb, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 4:07:51 PM
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Storm clouds over Korea.

Perhaps the real concern is reunification initatives by the south. The south is a trading nation and major markets, China and Russia are quite close to the south.

From the perspective of the south, reunification makes good economic sense.

Both Russia and China are being stalked by the US and they would likely dissaprove of reunification of the south for the south's economic propsertiy.
Posted by Referundemdrivensocienty, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 7:18:16 PM
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Dear Killarney,

There is no need for you to liberate the people of North Korea - not if your blood doesn't boil when you hear about their condition, but mine does!

http://www.libertyinnorthkorea.org/learn-nk-challenges
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 12:11:27 AM
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jayb

Thanks for the correction. I normally make a point of checking my facts, but I was too irate at the time to bother. I had a feeling I might have been in the wrong war! :)

yuyutsu

Get a grip. NK may not be paradise, but it's not the hell on earth it's made out to be by all the whacky Western propaganda. There are several moderate articles online that give a more balanced view.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jun/01/true-or-false-kooky-north-korea-stories

https://www.wildjunket.com/debunking-myths-north-korea/

However, if launching a compassionate nuclear missile at them is your thing, then I'm sure they'll be more than grateful to die in their millions and see their country in ruins just to appease your sense of outrage.
Posted by Killarney, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 11:42:38 AM
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Dear Killarney,

A nuclear bomb does not kill millions, only 10000's, unless of course it's a hydrogen bomb (there were somewhat more casualties in Hiroshima because the houses there were made of paper).

It is unlikely that anything less than that can take out Kim.

I could not open your second link, but even your "mild" first was bad enough. Of course we know more from those few who managed to escape. Pyongyang was designed to not look as bad, there live the elites who are closer to the leadership. Sacrificing part of that city and destroying the regime's command and control in order to save the rest from the most painful slavery, is worthwhile.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 11:08:26 PM
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yuyutsu

I tried the second link and it worked. Even so, why assume that people living under a totalitarian regime 'live in slavery'? Their movements and freedoms are heavily restricted, but this does not translate to slavery. Compared to what? Billions of people throughout the Western world live in the slavery of debt peonage. Regimes that we support, e.g. Saudi Arabia, practise horrific human rights violations (are North Korean women allowed to drive?).

'A nuclear bomb does not kill millions, only 10000's'

Oh, that's all right then. Tens of thousands of people dead and many more injured, crippled and suffering the effects of nuclear radiation. Tens of thousands of families destroyed and the country's infrastructure destroyed. But no matter .... as long as Kim is deposed.

We went down that road with Iraq and Libya and now Syria. These were all functioning societies with a good standard of living.

You knock out the leader ... and then what? The country falls into anarchy, extremist terror takes over, the country becomes dangerous and uninhabitable and tens of thousands, indeed millions, of refugees flood the neighbouring countries (including Australia).

But, hey. We meant well. We always do.
Posted by Killarney, Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:57:21 AM
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Dear Killarney,

What is the problem with anarchy?
Anarchy simply means that nobody rules over another.
The danger, we are told, is that without a strong rule, bad and strong people will harass the good and weak.
However, in North Korea the bad and strong are already torturing the good and weak - what's there to lose?

Did you know that in those concentration camps they flatten women's chests with a hot iron? Sometimes as punishment, sometimes just for "fun".
In that hell, people are forced to perform hard labour for long hours each day with no break: that pregnant young woman had to continue pushing the heavy plough even as her baby was coming out!
In that hell, hungry people are beaten and starved when caught eating grass!
In that hell, after the long day's work, one is not allowed to eat or sleep until they pass the indoctrination-class's examination!
In that hell, those suspected of doubting the regime, or whose family-member is suspected, are tortured and hanged in awkward positions for days!
In that hell, children are forced to denounce and give in their own parents to authorities!
In that hell, crying out to God instead of the "Dear Leader" is punished by painful death.

Yes, tens of thousands of people dead and many more injured, crippled and suffering the effects of nuclear radiation, is a small price to pay for the release of those who suffer beyond belief in those camps.

Had they even all been dead, that would be most merciful to them.

Comparison ought to be made with Hitler, not Saddam.
Appeasement would only bring about similar enslavement of the people of surrounding countries. Too bad that America, though it could, failed to save the Chinese from Mao, the Cambodians from Pol Pot, and the Tibetans who desperately cried for help. This should not happen again.

Or can you only think of the repercussions for Australia if they become free to leave that cursed land? Yes, a few may reach Australia, but the majority, if allowed, will rejoin their families in the South.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Saturday, 10 June 2017 11:00:55 PM
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