Just how exactly has my mind been poisoned, runner?

<<well AJ thanks for demonstrating how bereft those who claim no religion can end up with poisoned minds.>>

I’m not the one who thinks child sex abuse is acceptable in certain situations.

My secular, reason-based system of morality enables me to determine that child sex abuse is always wrong. Your rigid religious system of morality forces you to believe, against your own better judgement, that immoral acts are acceptable when a god says they’re acceptable simply because that god said it.

Thank you for this discussion, runner. The next time you fire off one of your offensive assertions about the supposed moral depravity of those who don’t share your religious beliefs, I’ll know where to link back to.

'My secular, reason-based system of morality enables me to determine that child sex abuse is always wrong. '

Your secular 'reason'based morality is putried AJ.

what don't you understand about Jesus statement that a person is better to kill themselves than to cause little ones to sin. Or as usual you misrepresent the GOd you hate because He is infinitely more intelligent than you.

Why’s that, runner? You’re a bit low on detail there.

<<Your secular 'reason'based morality is putried AJ.>>

I’m not the one who’s forced to believe that child sex abuse is okay in certain situations. Remember?

<<what don't you understand about Jesus statement that a person is better to kill themselves than to cause little ones to sin.>>

Nothing that I’m aware of. Why’s that? You’re not actually suggesting that children who are victims of sexual abuse are sinning while the abuse is occurring, are you? If it’s because they’re not married to their abuser, then the Old Testament has a remedy for that in Deuteronomy 22:28-29.

But what Jesus said has nothing to do with what Yahweh commanded before he was around. The point is that, according to your theology, it was once right to rape young girls because your god said it was right. Even you have had to all but concede that.

Or are you suggesting that your god was wrong? It would at least get you out of this pickle you're in.

<<Or as usual you misrepresent the GOd you hate …>>

Firstly, you are yet to point to any instances of me misrepresenting your literalist god. Secondly, it’s not possible to hate a god that one does not believe exists.

<<… because He is infinitely more intelligent than you.>>

Perhaps he is.

However, he’s certainly not more moral than me. I mean, the god you believe in lets people sexually abuse children and only punishes them when they're done. I, on the other hand, would stop a person from sexually abusing a child if I could.

That’s the difference between me and your God.

hilarous AJ how you stand yourself in judgement of the God that you deny. You create your filfthy little narrative of child abuse among the Jews when you fully know that marriage was common throughout the world for 12 and 13 year olds. You support murder of the unborn in the womb, are silent about old uncles taking young girls as brides in many cultures including aboriginal culture and see yourself more moral your Creator. You are totally irrational and delusional.Mind you many much smarter than you have gone that way after denying their Maker.

Yes, runner. Why, I’m sure you’re just laughing your head off there.

<<hilarous AJ how you stand yourself in judgement of the God that you deny.>>

You’re damn right I do. Especially now that I’ve demonstrated my moral superiority over your god.

<<You create your filfthy little narrative of child abuse among the Jews when you fully know that marriage was common throughout the world for 12 and 13 year olds.>>

Oh, so that’s it now, is it runner? It was all okay because they were marrying the children they were capturing, enslaving, and raping? This still doesn’t explain why your god thought it was okay.

<<You support murder of the unborn in the womb …>>

No, I simply value a woman’s right to bodily autonomy and understand that the consequences of forcing women to carry unwanted pregnancies to full term has far worse consequences than allowing abortions.

This is the Tu quoque fallacy, too, by the way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

<<… [you] are silent about old uncles taking young girls as brides in many cultures including aboriginal culture …>>

No, we just weren’t talking about child brides. That’s all. Child brides are a red herring you introduced just now. You don’t get to throw a red herring in and then turn it around on me by pretending that I’ve been purposefully and hypocritically quite about it.

Besides, we’re not talking about the people who do those awful things, we’re talking about your god who permits and even commands them.

<<You are totally irrational and delusional.>>

Well, that is the pot calling the silverware black. You are yet to demonstrate this.

<<Mind you many much smarter than you have gone that way after denying their Maker.>>

What? Become irrational and delusional? I’m sure they have.

AJ, you are wasting your time trying to carry out a reasoned argument with Runner. Religious belief is not within the purview of reason. You and I may have reached certain conclusions concerning God, based on our ability to reason, but Runner's brain has been wire differently and he has no ability to reason because his brain has been washed clean by some malevolent clerics. No matter really. At the end of our days we will all end up in the same place, just dead.

David