Oh, I got an answer. Looks like I over-estimated you, runner.

<<quite easy AJ. I can fully understand how God ordered the elimination of the Midianites …>>

So you think child sex abuse is okay in times of war, so long as it’s the good guys doing the raping?

Interesting.

What about when a father sells his daughter then? (Exodus 21:7-10)

<<Unrepentant god deniers who reject God's mercy through Christ will get what they deserve.>>

Hmm, infinite punishment for finite crimes. How fabulously immoral. And, no, there are no “god deniers”, since there is no reliable evidence for a god to be denied. Your belief, no matter how strong, is not evidence of anything.

Your god would know what it would take to convince unbelievers of its existence and yet it chooses to remain in hiding, revealing itself only to the desperate, gullible, and indoctrinated, in the most vague and unconvincing ways.

<<Personally I choose mercy and forgiveness.>>

Well, your god bloody well should have mercy on you and forgive you for being a flawed being since he made you that way to begin with, according to your theology. Mercy and forgiveness are not something you should need to choose. We all need to own our mistakes and take responsibility for them, and gods would be no exception there.

<<You seem to have chosen deceit and misrepresentation of God.>>

Still waiting for an example of deceit and misrepresentation from all those other times you accused me of this. I don’t suppose you could at least point to an instance of deceit or misrepresentation this time around, could you?

No, I didn’t think so.

Still waiting on your explanation of what paedophilia and zoophilia have to do with homosexuality, too, by the way.

' So you think child sex abuse is okay in times of war, so long as it’s the good guys doing the raping?'

so you put your slant on it AJ. To compare God's wisdom, justice and righteousness with yours just shows how arrogant and irrational you are. For someone who boasts in his own intellect you certainly are a master of misrepresention. You obviously have ignored the abhorrent actions of the tribes who God gave Israel the authority to destroy. You know this included child rape, beastiality, child sacrifice and every other abhorrent behaviour many of which you condone.

For a God that you deny you do wonderfully well at misrepesenting.

Even someone as dishonest as yourself knows that the ancient world was engrossed in slavery and barbarity. Exodus 21 addresses a more humane approach of slavery than what was being practiced. You also ignore deliberately or through ignorance that it was Christ and His teachings that brought more freedom from slavery than ever other worldview. Thanks to the corruption of man's heart we have more slavery today and trafficking than ever before.

'Still waiting on your explanation of what paedophilia and zoophilia have to do with homosexuality, too, by the way.'

The facts are simple AJ. You are unqualified, incapable and incompetent to decide what is good and evil. God is fully qualified. Truth is not disqualified by your atrocious denials.

Oh, that’s not my slant, runner.

<<so you put your slant on it AJ. To compare God's wisdom, justice and righteousness with yours…>>

I’m just going by what the Bible says. I asked you (in not so many words) how you would interpret the taking of young virgin girls and slaying everyone else, and your response implied that you agreed with my interpretation and were okay with it in certain circumstances.

<<For someone who boasts in his own intellect you certainly are a master of misrepresention.>>

Now, when have I done either of those? And how does the latter contradict the former?

<<You obviously have ignored the abhorrent actions of the tribes who God gave Israel the authority to destroy. You know this included child rape …>>

So two wrongs make a right then, do they? You think it was okay for the Israelites to capture and rape the female children because the Midianites were raping children?

Wow.

<<For a God that you deny you do wonderfully well at misrepesenting.>>

So, what’s your interpretation of that scenario then?

<<Even someone as dishonest as yourself knows that the ancient world was engrossed in slavery and barbarity.>>

Firstly, you haven’t demonstrated that I’ve been dishonest about anything. Secondly, your god allowed the Israelites to capture and rape the female children. The fact that people were barbaric in those times is irrelevant. Unless, of course, you believe your god was incapable of telling people back then that child rape is wrong?

<<Exodus 21 addresses a more humane approach of slavery than what was being practiced.>>

Oh? A more humane approach to sex slavery for young girls? How gracious of thy Lord!

Again, your god couldn’t just tell them it was wrong? Why not?

<<You also ignore deliberately or through ignorance that it was Christ and His teachings that brought more freedom from slavery than ever other worldview.>>

More? What is your evidence for this?

You side-stepped my question about how paedophilia and zoophilia are related to homosexuality, by the way.

Still waiting for an answer there.

' You side-stepped my question about how paedophilia and zoophilia are related to homosexuality, by the way.'

no side step AJ. These are obvious perversions on the way we were designed. As I stated your view that perversion is ok does not change the truth which you obviously reject. It is really amazing that you even call rape wrong. You seem to find a very selective moral conscience. Again the arrogance of you determining what you see as right and wrong amazes me. For someone who totally misrepresents the God of the bible, spreads the evolution fairytale you want me to accept that somehow your version of morality is correct. You are deluded hiding behind pseudo science at best. As I said before you and your high priests of repeating a lie often enough does not make it true.

When it comes to homosexuality, runner, that’s debatable.

<<These are obvious perversions on the way we were designed.>>

http://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&q=the+evolution+of+homosexuality&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp=&oq=the+evolution+of+homose

Either way, your reasoning is a fallacious appeal to nature, and your equating of homosexuality with paedophilia and zoophilia is a fallacious appeal to emotion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion#Disgust

Homosexual acts occur between consenting adults of the same species and so it is a false analogy to compare it to paedophilia or zoophilia.

<<As I stated your view that perversion is ok does not change the truth which you obviously reject.>>

Your “truth” is what I was trying to get to. I can see now that it was fallacious, unsurprisingly. But thanks for getting there in the end.

<<It is really amazing that you even call rape wrong.>>

At least I believe it’s wrong in all circumstances. A fat lot of good your religious morality has done for you.

<<You seem to [have] a very selective moral conscience.>>

Really?! I’m not the one who thinks child sex abuse is okay in certain circumstances just because a god says it's okay.

<<Again the arrogance of you determining what you see as right and wrong amazes me.>>

Why is that? Because I use reason rather than an edict attributed to some other being? Clearly my method is superior to yours. My method requires thought and effort. Your method is thoughtless and lazy.

<<… you want me to accept that somehow your version of morality is correct.>>

I would prefer that you thought that child sex abuse was wrong in all circumstances, yes.

But thanks for giving me the opportunity to demonstrate how religion can poison people's minds.

'But thanks for giving me the opportunity to demonstrate how religion can poison people's minds.'

well AJ thanks for demonstrating how bereft those who claim no religion can end up with poisoned minds. No wonder we have so much child abuse, suicide, perversion and hate with dogmas like yours. Thankfully just like the mockers in Noahs day and Sodom and Gommorah we know who wins out and its not the god deniers. I sincerly hope you come to reason before that.