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An America after Trump : Comments

By Peter Sellick, published 17/1/2017

We may conclude that this is the final verdict on the American Experiment; that the philosophies that founded the nation have come home to roost.

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Graham Y picked out the wrong sentence to summarise this article. This is better: " It explains why he [Trump] seems to have no idea of reality, of truth."

The bottom line is that the author disagrees with Trump and his supporters, and that proves (to the author) that they are wrong. Nothing more to be said.

Now it may turn out to be true that Trump's plans and planned solutions fail, but that's a long way from showing that they are divorced from reality. The author thinks a barrier to protect the southern border is "impossible". What will be his fallback position when its built? And it will be built. It may not be a 50' concrete barrier but a barrier will nonetheless exist. Its the core-est of core promises and it is the right thing to do. The author shows how little he knows by not understanding this.

For the previous several decades those who value 'seeming' over 'doing' have been in the ascendency and have convinced themselves of their own goodness. Seeming to want to place the needs of those far off ahead of those near-by has been, usually, a disaster for both. The Syrian debacle, Libya, Sudan, Yemen. Do those who do God's work really think they are scenarios we want to repeat.

In the end, the US economic system has been skewed to advantage some and disenfranchise the deplorable others. That that is about to change is anathema to many and they are virtue-signally their self-claimed goodness to maintain their advantages.

The first and foremost duty of any government is to its citizens. Previous US administrations have decided that only some of those citizens require its attention and after they've been 'looked after', then outsiders will be given priority. The deplorables can make their own arrangements. Well they have and the likes of the author aren't happy about it.

There are many ways to do good in the world. The conceit of our supposed betters is that only their way is valid. They are about to be disabused of that conceit.
Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 6:26:19 AM
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Sells:

“I think it is a sign of the times that we fail to judge character, or even think it is necessary to judge character.”

Character is irrelevant. President of the US is a job like any other job. You choose the person who has the best credentials for the job not the best character. You would be happy to see the country go down the toilet so long as the president was of good character and virtue. This exposes what your true values are.

You do not care about people having a job or security or some kind of incentive in their lives which means you do not care about people. You only care about Christianity and controlling everyone to be Christians. You need them to be Christians because you are so desperately emotionally dependent on Christianity.

Trump is not a leader and we do not need him to be. We need him to do a good job as president. Those who are looking for ‘leaders’ are insecure. They need someone else to have the values that they have because they are insecure about those values. The rest just need a good president.

The only ignorant fraud is you because you purport to care about people but act in a totally uncaring way towards those who want things to change for the better.
Posted by phanto, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 8:10:05 AM
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Go, Donald!!

I tipped a Trump win and I'm delighted.
I could have made a mint had I opened a 'book' but as I don't gamble (personal choice, no bandwagon), I passed up the opportunity to be rich.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 8:15:34 AM
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Dear Mr. Sellick,

I read your article 3 times. Enough is enough. I will not waste my time with a detailed reply but suffice to say I would use words like : Irrational, Illogical, libel , Hubris .

You start your essay with a cringing appeal to a non-existant America then proceed to libel Mr. Trump by calling him " ... a self deluded narcissist and fool" . Whatever Mr. Trump may be he is not a fool. Perhaps you will demonstrate to us how you came to the conclusion that he is a fool. OK, he might be a narcissist. What is wrong with that?

The body of your essay is a religious rant. I mean

"In theological terms this is idolatry; things of the world are worshipped instead of God. Thus our desire is directed not towards the face of God and hence towards greater humility ... " .

Give us a break.

Read Bertrand Russell's essay "Why I am not a christian.

You conclude with

: " The Church must be at the forefront in limiting the damage that Trump will do. Now is the time to preach obviously political sermons denouncing him. "

Is this not Hubris ? Is this not hubris of the powerless Do think, for one moment, that anybody will take note of this conclusion ?

Yours sincerely,

simplesimon
Posted by simplesimon, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 8:49:42 AM
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//Do you idiots think I want the leaders who sell this country out that YOU all choose for me every few damn years?//

Don't you vote, AC? You can't really whinge if you don't vote and wind up with leaders you don't like.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 9:31:37 AM
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The good Peter Sellick:

The fundamental difference between the old and new Testement are probably applicable for discussion here.

*The Old Testament shows the wrath of God against sin (with glimpses of His grace); the New Testament shows the grace of God toward sinners (with glimpses of his wrath).*

you appear to believe Trump to be opposed to God, when a neater description would be his ambivalence.

Rev., Dr Michael Bird/Ridley college Melbourne, identifies The Trunp phenomina here:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-16/why-did-evangelicals-vote-for-donald-trump/8028932

You may be out of step!
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 9:43:25 AM
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