@Shadow Minister: "Legitimacy is based on the recognition of others"

Exactly .... remove that "recognition" and the State of Israel no longer exists. That is what is coming.

Sth Africa White Apartheid REgime and their CONSTITUTION was "recognised" by UK, USA, Australia et al - then one day it was not.

What happened?

Khmer Rouge were "recognised" as the govt of Cambodia, the next day they were not.

The Taliban Govt of Afghanistan, given a $300 million Grant by GWB in JULY 2001 - two months later the Taliban Govt was gone.

One day the Baathists under Saddam were in charge, they even had a BIASED SECTARIAN BASED Constitution, the next day, they were gone.

Saddam found in a hole.

Hitler was recognised as Chancellor Govt of Germany. He did deals with the USSR and Chamberlain. 6 years later Hitler blew his brains out.

First there was the Holy Roman Empire it disappeared. Then a single Germany arose, became two Germanys, then became one again.

One day the USSR Govt controlled the largest ever group of nations Earth. Recognized by every other nation for 40 years, in one day it disappeared.

Do you RECOGNISE a pattern here at all Shadow Minister?

You can deny this until hell freezes over, but denial will never change a thing about Truth.

A million Shadow Ministers, David Singers cannot change it.

The State of Israel, imo, is not, never has been, a legitimate nation state.

How many nations recognise that today, does not matter.

Mark my words.

It will fall, as all the others above have fallen, so goes Israel.

The people living in that 'State' (born there or not) must then have to make a decision.

Do they pick up arms and fight a civil war, pack their bags and use their Dual passports, apply to emigrate, or embrace the new Nation State and participate.

Or do they do a Hitler and blow their brains out?

One day those will be their choices.

Your beliefs dreams wants, have nothing to with it.

It is what it is. Do not count your chickens.
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There is no answer to the Palestinian,Israelie problem.
except a fight to the death.

Unless you can persuade all the Israelies to move to Australia and we send
all the Palestinians in Australia,Britain and Europe back to Palestine.

There are millions of Arabs in Western and European countries.

There is no way to broker peace because you have the Israelie population and Palestian populations growing ever larger and a disputed area of land between
the burgeoning spread of people.

Re-conciliation as stated in this article is a joke.
Every time these two sides get near each other the slaughter begins.

This sounds to me like an attempt to let the Arabs move freely across Israelie borders
again, in the guise of reconciliation. We are all friends now.(lol!) Its just not going to happen.

This war in Palestine is a crystal ball to the future if countries keep on letting in
millions of refugees from different ethnic groups. Territorial warfare.

I dont want civil war in this country for my grandchildren and great grandchildren
and thats why I oppose mass immigration.
Civil war in this country, I'd say, "I can see Hell now" for future generations if they keep
this unchecked immigration up then it,"will be hell seen too late". As it is now too late
for Israel and Palestine.

The Germans were condemmed for wanting the Jews gone from their country but
the irony is that not one country wanted to take that many Jews in after world war2.
not even the wealthy Western nations.
So the Palestinians were given the short straw. Look at the result.

Thomas,

Unlike your fantasy, no country withdrew recognition of the Republic of South Africa. Israel is recognised today, and today is legitimate, which is more than can be said for Palestine.

Similarly you refer to countries and borders changing based on warfare and are essentially recognising the expansion of Israels borders.

A Palestinian state will come into being as the result of negotiations, expectations that Israel will cease to exist may well need to wait for a few centuries, as another major war with Israel may see several Arab nations cease to exist.

@Shadow Minister: "as another major war with Israel may see several Arab nations cease to exist."

Boy oh boy, aren't there millions who would love to see that happen sooner than later.

Israel's 'allies' 'partners' today include:

Saudi Arabia (Kingdom), Bahrain (Kingdom), Qatar (Kingdom), Oman (Kingdom), Yemen (Basket case/ISIS/Al Qeada), UAE (Kingdom), Kuwait (Kingdom), Jordan (Kingdom), Egypt (Military Junta), Turkey (Islamist Junta), Morocco (Kingdom), Tunisia (Kingdom), Algeria (can recall) and Djibouti (can't recall)?

Odd men out are Lebanon, Syria and Iraq.

Where is ISIL/Daesh operating? Syria and Iraq and Yemen.

Must be a coincidence.

Where are the Saudis, Jordanians, Qatar, Oman, Egypt, Turkey et al forces fighting on the ground?

Syria and Iraq and Yemen.

Where is the Israeli military active on the ground?

Syria.

Are any of them fighting ISIL/Daesh anywhere?

No.

What's the difference between Israel and Monarchies of the Arab world?

Nothing much.

Including who sponsors, supports, and enables Islamic Terrorism and Violence to destabilize Iraq, Syria and Yemen.

Who backs Israel, gifted them another $50 Billion?

USA

Who backs Saudi Arabia, keeps gifting them Military aid, has military bases?

USA

Saudi Arabia is not the only one with US military bases, MilComs centres, CIA Field operatives.

Who else has "boots on the ground" in Syria and Iraq but are not targeting ISIL/Daesh?

USA Mil and CIA forces.

Any other questions/comments?

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re: "no country withdrew recognition of the Republic of South Africa."

Technically that is correct. Factually the Govt of Sth Africa was lost all global community support - took decades for the biggest players UK/USA to finally accept reality.

Do you have any besides the RSA from my list to hair split?

re: "Similarly you refer to countries and borders changing based on warfare"

Um, a few maybe at certain times, but MY point is valid anyway.

You can ignore the point if you wish. Your choice.

re: "[me] are essentially recognising the expansion of Israels borders."

Absolutely not.

No one (with brains at least) recognized Nazi Germany's expanding borders in WW2 based on warfare. Did/do you?

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Thomas,

Recognition is legal term conveying legitimacy, your claim that SA was no longer recognised when not one country withdrew its recognition is more than just "splitting hairs", it's pure fantasy.

That the vast majority of countries in the world recognises Israel means that its legitimacy is absolute, and whether you recognise it or not, matters not a jot.

Your next flight of fantasy is to list a string of countries that are allies and partners yet some are technically at war with Israel,

The next wild claim is that Israel is militarily involved in Syria. Bollocks

As for territory that Nazi Germany won in the war? As far as I recall, Germany lost the war and territory, but Russia expanded its borders a long way.