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'Hell is truth seen too late' : Comments

By Alon Ben-Meir, published 20/9/2016

The next administration must stop enabling Israel to pursue policies which are to its detriment and insist that Israel genuinely engage in the process of reconciliation.

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I don't fancy your chances on getting a truth and reconciliation process up as forerunner of a binding peace process/two state solution?

That said, it has worked elsewhere where there seemed insoluble unending generational conflict! And would work much better if most or all the arid country, north south and west of Israel, were converted into a virtual garden of eden! And very doable!

Suggest you look at my previous post, on an earlier thread for a very doable (not for profit) description on how that could be done.
Alan B.
Posted by Alan B., Tuesday, 20 September 2016 11:03:49 AM
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"There is no doubt that Palestinian acts of violence against Israelis are a direct result of 50 years of occupation that continues to frustrate and incite them. Consequently, the Palestinians feel they have been left with no option but to resort to violence in an effort to end the occupation and pave the way for the establishment of their own state in the West Bank and Gaza."

This is a stupid statement, as it is their unending violence and hatred of Jews that started the wars that caused them to lose their territory.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 4:07:37 PM
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Reality check, Alon.

Trump will probably win the Presidential elections and the people who vote for him most defiantly don't like Ay-rabs. They could not care how many Ay-rabs the Israelis splatter all over the landscape, and that attitude is growing with every terrorist incident in the USA caused by Muslims.

Trump is so far the only western leader who has come right out and said that Muslims should not be allowed to immigrate to the USA. That's why people are voting for him. In another 20 years, the Euros will be voting for Trump to be the President of the Eurozone.

We don't care about Ay-rabs, we don't care about Muslims, and we especially don't care about "Palestinians." The "Palestinians" were the ones who hijacked our planes, took our people hostages, and killed Olympians at Olympic games. Whatever the Israelis do to them , they most definitely deserve.

When the "Palestinians stop shooting at the Israelis, the Israelis will stop shooting back. Meanwhile, we should let the Israelis get on with the job of ethnically cleaning the Muslims from their land, in the same way that the Muslims have ethnically cleansed everybody else from their land, after stealing that land from them.

Fair's fair.
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 20 September 2016 9:13:19 PM
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This article says,
That one way to make peace is to facilitate visiting rights betwern Israel
and Palestine.
The trouble with that is, it is the Palestians who are desperate to get into
Israel . They had 15tunnels dug just awhile back trying to get into Israel.

I dint see any Israelies except, muslims, livng in Israel, breaking any kind
of record trying to visit Palestine. The place isnt worth visiting.

The muslims were allowed to move freely around Israel, until they started
blowing school kids up in buses.
Posted by CHERFUL, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 12:38:39 AM
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@CHERFUL: "The muslims were allowed to move freely around Israel, until they started blowing school kids up in buses."

I say all the people were allowed to move freely around Palestine until about 1944/45 when due to uncontrolled illegal immigration they started blowing up each other.

It got worse when the new UN of ~55 nations decided the best thing to happen in the Mandate was Partition. It got far worse when the UK 'washed it's hands' of the matter.

It instantly became insane when a non-elected undemocratic unrepresentative group of people unilaterally declared statehood against the express legal requirements of the UN/UNSC program, against the wishes/advice of EVERY Nation and against the wishes of the MAJORITY of PEOPLE already there.

Mythical borders were NOT based on the Partition Plan. The outcome of Zionist impatience and contempt for the Arabs from the BEGINNING (as irrelevant to their own wants) was obvious then.

No parties acted honourably during this 1940s saga. UN was ill-equipped to manage the situation - had no legitimacy to impose any Plan on people against their will.

No nation properly supported the British who were stretched beyond reason for years. Truman's Administration was incompetent. The Arms Embargo into the Mandate was not honoured. No one was willing to create a UN Peace Keeping force to replace/support the UK.

That a dispute existed was SOLELY the result of the Zionist demand for a Jewish State in Palestine in the first place. The Arabs did not create the problem!

Jewish Refugees and immigrant Zionists plus their powerful enablers created the internal conflict by BEING THERE (no different than boat refugees heading for Australia or Europe via people smugglers today.)

The international community just wanted the 'problem' to go away. Geopolitics was off the wall. Not the Arabs fault!

A different CULTURE with ALIEN Goals suddenly arrived en-mass, buying land like Chinese today.

The easy way out (especially collective guilt) was for the USSR, USA, UK and others to recognise the State of Israel and kick the can down the road. It's been getting kicked ever since.
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Posted by Thomas O'Reilly, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 2:39:51 AM
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The claim that the violence was due to the presence of Jews is as gratuitous as the claim that the violence was due to the presence of Arabs.

Jews had been in the area for millennia, but under the Ottomans the Jews were very much second class citizens subject to discriminatory taxes and occasional massacres. With the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in 1918 and the rise of anti semitism there began a migration of Jews back to their traditional homeland, and violence by Arabs against Jews began from as early as 1920.

The flood of Jewish refugees in the 1940s boosted the Jewish population and by 1947 the fighting had become uncontrollable and the British left. All the Arab states attacked Israel with the stated intention of wiping them out, but in 1948 was fought to a standstill and the armistice line became the recognised border even though not a single Arab country recognised it, or the right of Israel to exist.

From 1948 to 67 the PLO ran endless terror attacks against Jewish civilians, and conducted cross border attacks from Jordan and Syria.

In 1967 Egypt, Jordan and Syria in an overt display of aggression publically declared their intention to wipe Israel off the map and massed their armies on Israel's border and blockaded the port of Eilat (an act of war). The Israeli preemptive strike destroyed their air forces and quickly captured the Golan heights, the west bank and the Sinai.

The 1967 borders were no less legitimate than the 1948 borders.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 6:57:19 PM
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