It is really pleasing that mhaze and Leo know better than thousands of climate scientists about the forcing of CO2 in the atmosphere. They would have us believe there is no relationship between extra CO2 and other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere creating more water vapour. Once in the atmosphere water vapour amplifies the process of warming.

Water vapour is created through transpiration of plants and evaporation. Warmth is needed to create extra water vapour through evaporation, and the atmosphere must be warm to be able to carry it. The denier argument is to minimalist the role of CO2 to create warmth to allow more water vapour into the atmosphere.

So while water vapour is a greenhouse gas, without prior processes of warming the atmosphere water vapour would not be as big an issue.

Rain bombs, or micro bursts as mhaze likes to call them to minimise the concept, are becoming more prevalent. The estimated cost of the Louisiana recent storm is estimated to be 1.5 billion dollars, there have been 7 other significant storms in the USA in a period of slightly over a year. Those other storms have been deemed to be once in 500 year events.
In the case of Louisiana the Gulf of Mexico was far warmer than usual.

Leo

With this comment you have really excelled yourself:

"Geoff, I think the reason that support for the climate fraud is left wing, is that a virulent and vicious green movement was started of which the book “Silent Spring” by the toxic liar Rachel Carson, was the founding document."

A bit of toxic thinking there, Leo.

Leo, are you willing to take a DDT cocktail; if not, why not?

Well that wasn't too hard after all. Poor old ant has been banging on forever that the ARM 11 observations are a game changer but just a little nudging and suddenly he abandons that idiocy and we now find it only matters because it increases water vapour levels.

Th climate system is spectacularly complex that reducing its complexity to just one element is kindergarten stuff. ant has now doubled his complexity understanding by adding H2O to the mix.

So perhaps a little more nudging? Is ant aware that water vapour levels have been declining recently? How can that be when all this CO2 is absorbing heat and creating water vapour? Its a mystery, n'est pas?

And what happens to that water vapour? ant seems to think it turns in rain. But what else? Clouds perhaps? Don't clouds enhance cooling - albedo and all that? Snow perhaps? More albedo. More plant growth which both absorbs CO2 and enhances cooling. etc etc.

The alarmist likes to distill the whole issue down to one or two elements and pretend that as these change nothing else does. Surely they realise that there have to be at least some negative feedbacks otherwise the earth would have long ago turned into an uninhabitable fireball when CO2 levels were much higher than now.

There is very little that is certain in climate science. But one thing we can be certain about is that ant will return to treating the ARM 'study' as his go-to 'proof' because...well just because.

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"are you willing to take a DDT cocktail"

Well I'd prefer a martini but if needs be. DDT is quite safe for humans and ingesting it has been shown to be completely safe. It is however not safe for pests such as the malaria mossies. The green movements great 'victory' in demonising and banning DDT has been a disaster for the poorer parts of the planet and resulted in levels of deaths and misery that make things like the Holocaust and the Holodomor pale by comparison.

mhaze

Are you trying to be ironic, or just plain silly?

You stated:

"DDT is quite safe for humans and ingesting it has been shown to be completely safe....."

An abstract from google scholar says the complete opposite.

http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.publhealth.18.1.211

http://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?q=impact+of+ddt+on+human+health&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjK1cXzrp_PAhVDzz4KHSCtAFEQgQMIGTAA

Once again displaying how your commentary is unreliable.

"On whether DDT is acutely poisonous to humans, the eminent British scientist Kenneth Mellanby writes in his book The DDT Story: "I myself, when lecturing about DDT during the years immediately after World War II, frequently consumed a substantial pinch of DDT, to the consternation of the audience, but with no apparent harm to myself, either then or during the next 40 years."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3532273.stm

and plenty of other examples.

DDT is dangerous at very high levels of exposure. But then again so is water. And of course, water vapour is gunna destroy the planet. :)

No apparent concern about the millions who died as a result of the vilification of DDT?

mhaze

Millions die from emissions from fossil fuels or become quite ill without taking into account climate change. Your claim to higher moral ground doesn't work.
Remember, Exxon is now being investigated by a Federal Agency; PriceWaterhouseCoopers have been involved with the investigations apart from; a number of Attorney Generals from US States.

http://thinkprogress.org/sec-exxonknew-4bd7b1f68500#.gl319l2rs

mhaze you stated:

"Is ant aware that water vapour levels have been declining recently? "

So water vapour was not involved with the Louisianna floods, or huge Mississippi/Missouri, South Carolina, Texas floods ,or the 4 other major floods in the US; there are numerous other examples around the planet.