The root of this cruelty is in signing the refugee-convention.
The solution to stop this cruelty is to withdraw from this cruel convention.

If you have compassion, then you don't need any convention to express it.
And as we can all see, if you don't have compassion, then you can circumvent the convention anyway!

Real cruelty would be to make the illegals learn English, then force them to read the garbage this bloke writes.

Yes. Close down all detention centres, but never allow anybody to reach Australia illegally. Turn the boats back, no matter what. We don't want these people, and we shouldn't be paying to house and feed them anywhere.

Here is another issue like gay marriage, which has allowed the debater to become one based almost entirely on the emotive.

On another thread I attemted, (and failed), to illustrate this point, by introducing into the argument, the stark difference in the character of the illegal arrivals.
I am totally in favour of Australia accepting in a humane way, genuine refugees who are fleeing for their lives, with whatever could be salvaged from their tortured past life.
That to me is genuine on both sides of the coin: And as an example of a genuine refugee, I offered the example of the Rohinga of Burma, stateless and persecuted.
Disenfranchised of citizenship in a country they have legally called home for well over a hundred years. The genuine!

What I do not accept is an economic (so called), freeloader, a cancerous group of villains. In this group of freeloaders, are homosexuals escaping what they describe as persecution of Islam, which prohibits such acts of debauchery, and correctly so. Australia needs less of this character type, not more!

So, as a result of conformity to my own definition of refugee, I believe the group which are secured in detention centres, are predominantly not refugees in the real sense.
I support wholeheartedly, Australia's decision to intern this group with no prospect of further travel towards Australian shores.

What happens next, should be based on holding this group firmly from our shores, and on this score I laud the LNP.

Binoy Kampmark: Colin Barnett, has broken ranks with the Fortress Australia mentality. With regards "families, as long as they don't present a security risk or safety risk, I do welcome them being in Australia."

Well, there’s the proviso, eh. “, as long as they don't present a security risk or safety risk,”

Just what is considered a Security or Safety Risk;

Being a muslem; Security &Safety Risk.
Mentally Ill; Security & Safety Risk, Double if the person is moslem.
Rapists; Anyone who has Raped or attempted to Rape a Man, Woman or Child whilst in Detention.
Violence; Anyone who has been involved in any disturbance whilst in Detention against any fellow Detainee or Prison Guard whilst in Detention.
Destruction of Property; Any Detainee who has been involved in the Destruction of any Property in, on or about the Detention Centre.
False Pretences; Lying or Falsely Reporting Incidences to gain entry to Australia by False Pretences.
Asylum; Has been offered Asylum in a Country other than Australia but refuses to take advantage of that offer.

Why doesn't the UNCHR intervene in Australia's Detention Centres?

The Australian Detention Camps are purely an Australian attempt to deal with Illegal Immigrants coming to Australia claiming to be Asylum Seekers.

The UNCHR should be responsible for the setting up, running & maintenance of these Camps. They refuse to do so because the UNCHR recognizes that once the person has left the Refugee Camp setup by the UNCHR they are no longer considered by the UNCHR to be Refugees as per the UNCHR Definition.

Its a pity Binoy was not concerned about the millions of displaced people wanting to come here legally but can't afford to cross many countries and pay people smugglers.

I find the article the assumptions and the diabolically disingenuous Author both offensive and objectionable!

I see no valid reason to not show uninvited guest the door, whenever they try to force an outcome via organised criminal cardres! Or play the race or religion card?

Moreover, the patently vexatious, mischievous claim that we're cruel or searching for alternative cruelties, is the most arrogant, willful slander, I've been exposed to through the course of this ongoing online debate!

Which rather than pricking my conscience or arousing my empathy, is instead, hardening my represented resolve to keep this particular door permanently closed!

That said, I believe we ought to try to reopen the Malaysia regional solution. Which was hardly cruel in any sense of the word or intent!

Another perhaps more cost effective option, is to finance the return of economic migrants into some form of private enterprise endeavour, (a deep sea going fishing boat, a modest farm replete with oxen and plough, a corner store etc.) in their country of origin?

How can we be so cruel? We are terrible people, spending many billions keeping these folk far safer and more comfortable than the places they claim they are escaping from!
Alan B.

They never "stopped the boats", Fuhrer Abbott made sure of that via his mates Rupert, Lindsay and Co, who were gagged from reporting on the true numbers of arrivals. Why then would they need to build another DC across the harbour from Lombrum (1600 + beds) at Mokerang (3000 beds)? NORFORCE, Customs & RAAF were subjected to cut backs on their funding to man flights and patrols as far back as 2008 - 09 which reduced the actual detection and interdiction of SIEVs..et voila the famous line - "We have stopped the boats !"

Barnett is weasel of the kind that converted the Coalition to socialism. He can 'welcome' who he likes with total impunity as 'nothing much' state premier who has absolutely nothing to do with immigration, legal or illegal.

The Refugee Convention 1951, is a total joke in modern times. Introduced to aid misplaced persons after World WarII, it is completely irrelevant to the rorting of today. There has been some minor fiddling at the edges, but the Convention has been misinterpreted now by nitwits and emoters. War or conflict in a country does not entitle citizens of that country to seek asylum. This 'fleeing from death, torture or tinea', is a load of old backsides. 99.9% of the citizens of wartorn countries remain in situ and learn how to live with the situation. These 'refugees' are manipulators, crooks and users, playing on the emotional weakness of the silly, guilt- ridden white man, trying to get a better life by bludging off the softies prepared to be duped - and those of us who are not duped but have had our freedom to object crushed.

Heard Island and the McDonald Islands are an uninhabited Australian territory 4100kms south west of Perth.
We should build a detention facility there, as well as Federal prison for the worst criminals and terrorists and also politicians that act against Australian interests.

What a great idea Armchair.
They can even be entertained with the display from the volcano on Heard.
Actually Detention Centre is a misnomer, the inmates are not detained
they can leave today if they wish with some of our money in their pockets.

They could return to their own countries no matter what the state of
things are there. Even the Syrians could go back to some parts of their
country and help rebuild the place instead of hanging off Australia's teat.

It has been a con for far too long !

I went Heard Island in 1997 and saw first hand an old abandoned fishing/whaling station, just perfect for those currently on Manus and Nauru.

A few bob to fix it up a bit and a few new Nissan huts and some cold clime seeds and we can wash our hands of all these troublemakers.

Problem solved!

Well said, Bazz.

The people-smuggler illegal refugees are free to leave detention and go home or elsewhere but not enter Australia illegally.

This Albie Manton in Darwin is a real joker. He asserts that "they did not stop the boats", then describes how they DID stop the boats. Any new detention centres had to be built to house thousands of Labor's guests, who were still coming, until Abbott got the boats down to a tickle almost immediately, then to nothing in a very short time.

Albie (could this be the near naked, dread-locked character seen for a short time on TV?) suggests that a Prime Minister doing what he was supposed to do - protect our borders - was a Nazi ("Herr Abbott") when it is Albie himself who is using Nazi-like criticism and propoganda to damn what an elected politician rightly did, with the approval of most Australians at the time. As Bertrand Russell suggested, idealism is often a cover for hatred.

Well, while I applaud the sentiment of resettling folk on Heard or MacDonald? THat's as good as opening the door to resettlement in Australia, given the aforementioned are like Christmas Island, australian territory!

Even excising them from that category won't change that or their ongoing dependence! On the plus side, we'd have full and complete control as well as total responsibility!

I like the MacDonald idea, given an active volcano, possibly could be an exploitable heat source to make them nice and warm?

All levity aside, I believe the Malaysian solution needs to be revisited and resurrected, which would effectively put these folk back in humane transit camps and back at the "end" of a queue?

An outcome which will allow them to consider the sheer folly of paying people smugglers thousands (wasted money) for passage back to the "end" of the queue?

We as a middle sized nation have finite resources as well as a modest capacity to resettle displaced people!

Therefore and to be ultimately fair and even handed, while retaining our reputation as a successful, tolerant multicultural nation!

We will decide who comes here, their suitability as intending migrants of good character and the manner of their arrival!
Alan B.

Get a grip for goodness sake! Malaysian Solution? Malaysia has the most corrupt politicians in Asia. We would have to pay them off first.
The fact is if we would send them 400 illegals and accept 4,000 from their camps. Who do you think will pick the 4,000. That's right, the politicians and Public Servants, for a nice little drink of course. Then we would get an even worse crop of bludgers, rapist and thieves than we have now.
Gillard was the total idiot, incapable of doing anything but dodgy deals and backstabbing.

Yes ttbn you have me pegged mate, near naked, dreadlocked and wrestling with the Bayou alligators, as you allude to...ho hum..yet another poor poster who reverts to personal attacks when lack of information gets in the way of a reasonable assertion of opinion - it is after all "On Line Opinion".

Funny how the truth cuts the Lying Nazi Propagandists (LNP supporters) amongst us to the quick. BTW I feel the same about Gizzard, Dudd, Short Circuit and probably the remaining MP's/MLA's and pretty well the whole Parliament ttbn, so I hope I haven't left anyone else out for you to send off a pink bunny blanket and a teddy bear to. Poor Tony...no one loves him any more. I will dance a jig wearing my pink tu-tu and green sand-shoes in Smith Street Mall on the day his mate Terry Sharples rolls over and spills the beans on Herr Fuhrers involvement in One Nation & Australians For Ethical Politics.. I truly will. It isn't too far off either I hear.

Where do you think I gleaned my information for the previous post from? Let's suppose I might have actually been some place in the inner workings of government ttbn and the statement is actually "true"...what then mate ? It's ok...really, the MSM will tell you the truth you want to believe ttbn.

But no matter, just like your troll buddy Shadow Minister who quietly disappeared into hyperspace, you too will be yet another poster here who didn't last the distance. Please stick to information that sheds some light, something at least that contributes to a balanced discourse or for decency's sake just take your drivel elsewhere...please.

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overpopulation, will always try to spread to greener pastures
..
Its simple cause and effect.

The overpopulation uses up the land and available resources.

Why should those who have pastures left because they havent
overpopulated give them away to those who persist in having too
many children.

I think it is actually a male dominance problem.

Well the male is the strongest hunter.
Some people have flogged their land because of economic necessity such as in the Middle East.
Other reachable inhabitable land is overpopulated and eaten out such as in Asia.
Some green pasture farmers sell out to the highest bidder.

However why should claim jumpers be allowed to walk in and out where they like?

Anyone who is real danger can seek refuge in any Australian Embassy of High Commission office, instead of trying to get to Australia illegally.

The whole world's needy people cannot fit into Australia's economy, nor can any ongoing flow of illegal economic refugees.

I think it would be best to help refugees to restore or stimulate the economy of their own countries.

JSAUS

Its not the males prowess at hunting I am referring to.

It is the male belief in overpopulated countries, that women shouldnt
be given control over ther own wombs.

I do agree with some of your post, but in regard to supporting these people
economically, we have been pouring billions in
world aid into countires like Africa for 50years. and yet the situation
in those countries never seems to change. The leaders seem incapable of building pipelines for a start, and people have no clean drinkng water in a lot of areas.

CHERFUL: It is the male belief in overpopulated countries, that women shouldn't be given control over there own wombs.

I don't really believe that to be true of the ordinary person in most Westernized Countries. It is the Opinion of a few vocal Religious Nutters & the Politicians who are afraid of them. It's a different kettle of Fish when it comes to ME Countries but the cause of the problem is exactly the same. Religion.

CHERFUL: we have been pouring billions in world aid into countries like Africa for 50 years. and yet the situation in those countries never seems to change.

Of course not. The bulk of the AID never gets to the people to whom it is intended. Exceptions are when Photo Opportunities are held to Beef up the incoming AID Donations. Three years of personal experience in this area gives one a bit of an idea as to what goes on.

CHERFUL,

I agree with Jayb.

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http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/phantom-aid-never-leaves-our-shores/2007/05/27/1180205079584.html